[Physics] gravity is NOT a force

[Tufail Abbas]

Yes, I agree Tom that it was rather amusing.

For an analogy, if we add impurity to water, we say that presence of
additives have transformed the tranparent water  (or nothing)  into
coloured (distorted) water. But if we dig deeper, then we know that both
additive as well as water are made up of same basic particles electron
neutron and proton, though in somewhat different *configuration*.

To put it in perspective, by saying that mass distorts space-time, its
possible that we are misinterpreting mass as something different from space
time. It may be possible that space time is made of same ingredient of
which the matter (electron, proton neutron) is made of , or may be
space-time is *simply an extension of matter.* , but there are properties*
(configurations) *associated , by which we differentiate between source*
(matter) *and spacetime*(extension)* , hence we recognise them as two
different entities,

So the gas molecules if they are source, will not get distorted, I agree.
But extension of it may get distorted.

So if there is an extension then that extension is gravitational field or
something else? That's a meaningful question.

Nothing (space ) is something that we don't understand, so we prefer to say
that it is nothing.

Regards,

Tufail Abbas

On Jun 9, 2017 11:20 PM, "carmam at tiscali.co.uk" <carmam at tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:

That is interesting and amusing Tufail, but it clouds the issue. Space IS
literally nothing. Just like the space between atoms, but on a much larger
scale. However, as there are molecules in space, perhaps it should be
described as a very rarified gas. But how do you distort a gas?

Tom Hollings


----Original Message----
From: tufail.abbas at gmail.com
Date: 09/06/2017 00:44
To: "General Physics and Natural Philosophy discussion list"<physics at tuks.nl
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Subj: Re: [Physics] gravity is NOT a force

Hello Tom,

You have nailed it.

You are right, that if something is something like nothing, then it is
impossible for it to distort. But, if what we have understood as nothing,
is not actually nothing but something, then it may turn into something else
or distort.

What if,  that something (which distorts) is actually very close to
something like nothing, Then if you add something else to that nothing,
then it creates the illusion of distortion of nothing. But in actuality
identity of nothing is still preserved despite illusion of something.

For example : if transparency = nothing then pure water  = nothing. If we
add colour to this water, then it is no more transparent , so it becomes
something. But instead of saying that it is now something,  we still prefer
tobsay that nothing is now coloured. By the same logic possibly, we have
declared that space is nothing and nothing is distorted.

Regards,

Tufail Abbas.

On Jun 8, 2017 10:18 PM, "carmam at tiscali.co.uk" <carmam at tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:

Tesla was correct on this one (and numerous others). Space is nothing. How
can nothing be distorted?
Tom Hollings.


----Original Message----
From: pifriedgut at statcourse.com
Date: 08/06/2017 15:15
To: <physics at tuks.nl>
Subj: [Physics] gravity is NOT a force

The effect of a mass is to distort the surrounding space-time continuum.
This distortion is proportional to the linear distance from the center of
the mass.


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