[Physics] Physics Digest, Vol 19, Issue 5

[Ruud Loeffen]

Hello James, Tufail, Doug  et al.

Interesting ideas about the cause of motions. These ideas relate lately
mostly to fluid dynamics and the characteristics of a "field". In
collaboration we will find the truth. I see around me a big change in how a
group of physicists and scholars now is working together by commenting and
trying really to understand somebodies ideas. It is very nice to be a part
of this development. I feel that there is something important going on.
Indeed:  Interesting to read:
http://alternativephysics.org/book/ElectricFields.htm
Bernard Burchell A free on-line book containing classical alternatives to
modern physics theory. <http://alternativephysics.org/book/index.htm>
Let's continue.

Best regards.

Ruud Loeffen.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 2:45 PM James Rose <integrity at prodigy.net> wrote:

> Tufail, Doug, et al,
>
> I've been involved with General Systems Theory since the early 1970s. In
> the late 1990's after presenting a paper on re-defining entropy as a
> general primal property .. gradient .. that is primally present in all
> fields phenomena (versus being a mysterious secondary product of the
> interactions of the conventionally defined '4 fundamental forces'),  one of
> the then-elder statesman of the systems organization putting on the
> conference at Asilomar CA, came up to me afterwards and made the simple
> statement to me ...  "You are on the right track of investigation, Jamie,
> but the key is something you didn't discuss in your paper :   'least
> action'.   You have to identify, discuss, and justify the differential
> pressure that accounts for motion and action .. what CONDITIONS or
> RELATIONS .. that are essentially present in the dimensional architecture
> of physical~phenomenal existence."
>
> Sage remarks.   He and I never spoke again, and he passed away in the
> years since then.  But he was right.
>
> Even in the Standard model, even in susy (supersymetry), even in QM ...
> there is no directed conversation that justifies, explains, or accounts for
> motion and action PRIOR to the so-called 'fundamental forces'.
>
> A massive re-modelling of physics is required in order to see deeper into
> the "*dynamic* architecture" of physical existence .. on ALL SCALES
> together.
>
> James
> Dec 6, 2018
>
>
>
>
> ===========
>
> On Thursday, December 6, 2018, 11:08:25 PM PST, Tufail Abbas <
> tufail.abbas at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Tom, Actually bernard following proposal is exactly in accordance with my
> ideas cause of all motion....
>
> "This substance is continuously and perpetually generated within charged
> particles and moves away......."
>
> This is the first instant that I saw a  proposal similar to my ideas about
> cause of motion,  being made by somebody else other than me.
> So I meant  to ask : How to experimentally prove this? Tufail
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2018, 02:47 carmam at tiscali.co.uk <carmam at tiscali.co.uk
> wrote:
>
> Tufail, Bernard is speculating here as shown by the opening statement "Could
> an electric field be a similar phenomenon?  Could what we describe as an
> electric field be in fact, not just be an abstract mathematical entity, but
> an actual flow of material that moves outward from a charge and imparts a
> force on other charges when it hits them?"
> He also uses the word hypothesis.
> He has some excellent ideas, and most of his work is based on fact. When
> he does diverge from fact he lets the reader know.
>
> Tom.
>
>
> ----Original Message----
> From: tufail.abbas at gmail.com
> Date: 06/12/2018 17:05
> To: <carmam at tiscali.co.uk>, "General Physics and Natural Philosophy
> discussion list"<physics at tuks.nl>
> Subj: Re: [Physics] Physics Digest, Vol 19, Issue 5
>
> Tom,
>
> I was just going through the book of Alternative Physics through your
> provided link , and I came across the chapter of Electric Field and this
> hypothesis.
>
> The Electric Field Hypotheses:
>
> Each charged particle generates something called ‘field substance’ which
> makes up what we call an electric field.  This substance is continuously
> and perpetually generated within charged particles and moves away
> ..................... This substance is a not a mathematical abstraction,
> but an actual physical substance that travels through space.  When it
> strikes another charged particle it exerts a force............
>
> Who will believe this? And why?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tufail
>
>
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