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<DIV>Helou Arend!</DIV>
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<DIV>So very much thank you of your answer! I've not read yet all your links,
but your letter was very much encouraging for me. </DIV>
<DIV>For the limtless (infinite in that sense) Universe I can say too more
assumptions (logical facts?):</DIV>
<DIV>1. when you are anywhere in the space you are allways like in the
middle,</DIV>
<DIV>2. there is the longest possible distance existing, the Universe has
some sice.</DIV>
<DIV>And as before:</DIV>
<DIV>3. it does not expand, from the known movements of the galaxies does not
follow that universe is expanding because the movements follow from the nature
of the Universe, from the limitlessness of the universe.</DIV>
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<DIV>Olli Santavuori </DIV>
<DIV>18.10.2016</DIV>
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<A title=lamare@gmail.com href="mailto:lamare@gmail.com">Arend Lammertink</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 17, 2016 9:40
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Physics] Cosmology</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hello Olli,<BR>
<DIV><BR>This is an interesting question and you are not alone in your notion
that mathematics seem to be the most important requirement for physics these
days, while fundamental ideas and even common sense seems to have been
replaced by pages of equations. <BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>In that respect, it is interesting to quote none other than Albert
Einstein, as I did in my background article:<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.tuks.nl/wiki/index.php/Main/OnSpaceTimeAndTheFabricOfNature">http://www.tuks.nl/wiki/index.php/Main/OnSpaceTimeAndTheFabricOfNature</A><BR><A
href="https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein">https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein</A><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail-indent>"Concepts that have proven useful in ordering things
easily achieve such <STRONG>authority over us</STRONG> that we forget their
<STRONG>earthly origins</STRONG> and <STRONG>accept them as unalterable
givens</STRONG>. Thus they might come to be stamped as "necessities of
thought," "a priori givens," etc. The path of <STRONG>scientific progress is
often made impassable for a long time by such errors</STRONG>. Therefore it is
by no means an idle game if we become practiced in analysing long-held
commonplace concepts and showing the circumstances on which their
justification and usefulness depend, and how they have grown up, individually,
out of the givens of experience. Thus their <STRONG>excessive
authority</STRONG> will be broken. They will be removed if they cannot be
properly legitimated, corrected if their correlation with given things be far
too superfluous, or replaced if a new system can be established that we prefer
for whatever reason." Obituary for physicist and philosopher Ernst Mach
(Nachruf auf Ernst Mach), Physikalische Zeitschrift 17 (1916), p. 101 </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail-indent><BR><BR>"I fully agree with you about the significance
and educational value of methodology as well as history and philosophy of
science. So many people today — and even professional scientists — seem to me
<STRONG>like someone who has seen thousands of trees but has never seen a
forest</STRONG>. A <STRONG>knowledge of the historic and philosophical
background</STRONG> gives that kind of <STRONG>independence</STRONG> from
<STRONG>prejudices</STRONG> of his generation from which <STRONG>most
scientists are suffering</STRONG>. This <STRONG>independence</STRONG> created
by philosophical insight is — in my opinion — the mark of distinction between
a mere artisan or specialist and <STRONG>a real seeker after truth</STRONG>."
Letter to Robert A. Thorton, Physics Professor at University of Puerto Rico (7
December 1944) [EA-674, Einstein Archive, Hebrew University, Jerusalem].
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<DIV>Now getting back to your question: is the Universe
expanding?<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Main stream science may think the answer to that question has been
solved, but when one considers that the measurements by which they have come
to this conclusion are based on the fundamental assumption that the speed of
light is constant across the Universe, while this is not the case IMHO, one is
tempted to come to the conclusion that science actually has no idea what they
have been measuring and therefore one has to take their answers with a big
grain of salt for the time being. <BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The video I posted by David LaPoint shows very interesting connections
between what can be done in a laboratory and patterns we observe at a galactic
scale:<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siMFfNhn6dk">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siMFfNhn6dk</A><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>For me, it's still an open question whether or not the Universe is
actually expanding, but perhaps others have another perspective to
share.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Regards,<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Arend.<BR></DIV>
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