<div dir="ltr"><div><div>@Mike: as of now, your posts will be moderated.<br><br></div>No topic is off-limits as far as I'm concerned, but the idea of discussion is to exchange ideas in a thoughtful and respectful manner. For starters, this topic was about hidden variables. Most of the topics contained in your reply have nothing to do with that subject. Further, your use of styling, words and tone are not helpful to get a meaningful discussion. To me, this sounds like preaching rather than discussion and that's not what the purpose of this mailinglist is.<br><br></div>-- Arend --<br><div><br><br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:34 PM, MIKE EMERY <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:1948emery6@gmail.com" target="_blank">1948emery6@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><div><div><div><span class=""><div>I have to admit that, even if it is open to various alternative<br>
approaches, I'm interested only in such approaches which are<br>
compatible with modern physics. In particular, the theories I propose<br>
there have general relativity and the standard model of particle<br>
physics as limits.<br><br></div></span>SORRY, ALL OF PHYSICS IS WRONG AND HAS BEEN SINCE 1887 AS A RESULT OF THE MICHAELSON MORLEY EXPERIMENT - EVERY BOOK, EVERY EQUATION - ALL OF IT IS B.S. = A LIE <br><br></div>WELL MAXWELL'S ORIGINAL EQUATIONS INCLUDED THE EFFECT OF GRAVITY, WHICH THE RUSSIANS USED TO PROVE THE PRESENCE OF SCALAR WAVES. BUT, THAT IS ABOUT IT. <br><br></div>THE AETHERS ARE THERE AS THE BACKGROUND SCREEN - ANY DISCUSSION OF PHYSICS THAT DOES NOT START WITH THE AETHERS IS A LIE. PERIOD. TESLA SAID PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. <br><br></div>STOP KIDDING YOURSELVES <br><br></div><b>IF YOU WANT TO DO GOOD</b> THEN TOGGLE TO THE FACT THAT THINGS THAT ARE IN HARMONY WITH THE AETHERS WORK FAMOUSLY - LIKE SUPER CONDUCTORS, WHICH ELIMINATE ALL OF THE LAWS OF PHYSICS., DITTO GRAPHENE, HONEY IS ETERNAL, BECAUSE ITS AETHERIC ENVIRONMENT IS - SAME KIND OF HEXAGONAL BACKGROUND ENVIRONMENT THAT SUPPORTS GRAPHENE, <a href="https://www.academia.edu/11138133/AETHERS_FURTHER_PROOF_-_THIS_CHANGES_THE_GAME" target="_blank">https://www.academia.edu/11138<wbr>133/AETHERS_FURTHER_PROOF_-_TH<wbr>IS_CHANGES_THE_GAME</a> <br><br>GREBINNIKOV'S FLYING PLATFORM. <a href="http://blog.hasslberger.com/docs/Viktor_Grebennikov_FLYING_PLATFORMS.pdf" target="_blank">http://blog.hasslberger.com/do<wbr>cs/Viktor_Grebennikov_FLYING_P<wbr>LATFORMS.pdf</a> <br><br>ALCHEMCIAL TRANSMUTATION OF ELEMENTS THAT GOES ON ALL DAY EVERY DAY IN ALL LIVING THINGS - LET ME SEE THE STANDARD MODEL ANSWER THAT ONE!!!!! <a href="https://www.academia.edu/11025459/ALCHEMICAL_TRANSMUTATION_OF_ELEMENTS" target="_blank">https://www.academia.edu/11025<wbr>459/ALCHEMICAL_TRANSMUTATION_O<wbr>F_ELEMENTS</a> <br><br></div>MODERN PHYSICS CAN NOT EVEN BEGIN TO EXPLAIN A CAPACITANCE FIELD OR THEY ARE AFRAID TO DO SO. <br><a href="http://blog.hasslberger.com/docs/CAPACITANCE-IS-THE-DOORWAY-TO-THE-DIVINE.pdf" target="_blank">http://blog.hasslberger.com/do<wbr>cs/CAPACITANCE-IS-THE-DOORWAY-<wbr>TO-THE-DIVINE.pdf </a> <br><div><div><div><div><div><br></div><div>MODERN PHYSICS CAN NOT HANDLE BELL'S THEOREM - SHOULD BE BELL'S LAW - ONE OF ONLY THREE SUBATOMIC EXPERIMENTS THAT WORKS THE SAME EVERY TIME. THE OTHER TWO BEING YOUNG'S DOUBLE SLIT AND THAT A PHOTON WILL SPLIT SPONTANEOUSLY INTO AN ELECTRON AND A POSITRON - THE FIRST SUB-ATOMIC OBSERVATION AFTER THE DOUBLE SLIT. QUITE IMPORTANT FUNDAMENTAL & HISTORICAL ASPECTS OF PHYSICS THAT NOBODY MENTIONS. <br><a href="http://blog.hasslberger.com/docs/LIGHT%20DETAILS-2.pdf" target="_blank">http://blog.hasslberger.com/do<wbr>cs/LIGHT%20DETAILS-2.pdf</a> <br><br></div><div>HERE'S THE STANDARD MODEL / PARTICLE ZOO ALL WRAPPED UP WITH A TIDY BOW. <br><a href="https://www.academia.edu/10928847/THE_GOD_PARTICLE" target="_blank">https://www.academia.edu/10928<wbr>847/THE_GOD_PARTICLE</a> <br></div><div><div><br></div><div>AND RELATIVITY IS QUITE LOGICAL - EXCEPT FOR THE VALUE OF c. SO, IT DOES NOT EXPLAIN SUPER-LUMINAL COMMUNICATIONS - TELEPATHY, WHICH, THIS IS ONE THING THAT SCIENCE SHOULD REALLY BE STUDYING = HOW TO COMMUNICATE TELEPATHICALLY - ASAP. YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ON THAT ONE. FOR THIS REASON. <br><font size="4"><b><a href="https://www.academia.edu/29222365/THE_SEPARATION_KEY.doc" target="_blank">https://www.academia.edu/29222<wbr>365/THE_SEPARATION_KEY.doc</a></b></font><br><br></div><div><br></div><div>SCIENCE NEEDS TO LEAD THE WORLD OUT OF DARKNESS - THE RELIGIONS ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE - SCIENCE IS MEANT TO BE OPEN MINDED AND EMBRACE THINGS THAT WILL HELP PEOPLE AND SOLVE THE MASSIVE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE. <br><br></div><div>TOWARD THAT END, ITS PROBABLY HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT ANY OF YOU UNDERSTAND ORGONE ENERGY OR HOW IT IS THE MEDITATION WORKS TO HEAL THINGS. AND, YOU REALLY REALLY SHOULD BE HOT ON THOSE THINGS. MIND OVER MATTER IS THE ONLY SOLUTION WE HAVE TO SAVE THIS PLANET. <br><b><a href="https://www.academia.edu/22364435/FIX_THE_PLANET_-_THE_PROBLEM_BECOMES_A_PARTY" target="_blank">https://www.academia.edu/22364<wbr>435/FIX_THE_PLANET_-_THE_PROBL<wbr>EM_BECOMES_A_PARTY</a></b><br><br></div><div>GUARANTEED THAT THIS PARADIGM WILL NOT GET THE JOB DONE <br><span class=""> the theories I propose<br>
there have general relativity and the standard model of particle<br>
physics as limits.<br></span></div><div><br></div><div>PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE THAT STUFF ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE TWIN TOWERS FELL DOWN BY THEMSELVES, THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS CAUSED BY MAN, AND, THAT CHEMTRALS ARE GOOD FOR US. <br><br></div><div>YOU BEST BE WAKING UP TO THE MASSIVE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY THE CHEMTRAILS <br><br>IF THIS DOESN'T WAKE YOU UP, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL<br><br><a href="http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/all-of-a-sudden-fish-are-dying-by-the-millions-all-over-the-planet" target="_blank">http://theeconomiccollapseblog<wbr>.com/archives/all-of-a-sudden-<wbr>fish-are-dying-by-the-millions<wbr>-all-over-the-planet</a><br><br><div><h1>All Of A Sudden, Fish Are Dying By The MILLIONS All Over The Planet</h1></div> <div><img src="http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/wp-content/themes/atahualpa/images/icons/user.gif" alt="" class="m_4048958612491648215gmail-m_3182279784303241816gmail-CToWUd"> By Michael Snyder, on May 8th, 2016
</div><br></div><div><p>So why is this happening?</p><br>THE CHEMTRAILS HAVE KILLED OFF OVER HALF OF THE PHYTOPLANKTON LOOK IT UP - <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1298596/Massive-40-decline-oceans-phytoplankton-puts-entire-food-chain-threat.html" target="_blank">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci<wbr>encetech/article-1298596/Massi<wbr>ve-40-decline-oceans-phytoplan<wbr>kton-puts-entire-food-chain-<wbr>threat.html</a> 6 YEARS AGO<br><br>THAT IS WHERE OUR OXYGEN COMES FROM - DITTO THE FISH. <br><br>The death of approximately 35,000 fish up in Minnesota is being blamed on a “<a title="lack of oxygen" href="http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2014/0519/Huge-fish-die-offs-in-California-and-Minnesota.-What-s-happening" target="_blank">lack of oxygen</a>“.<p>*The recent die off of thousands of fish in the Shark River near Belmar, New Jersey is also being blamed on “<a title="oxygen depletion" href="http://www.weather.com/news/science/nature/dead-fish-new-jersey-shark-river-belmar-20140513" target="_blank">oxygen depletion</a>“.</p><br>THERE
WILL BE MORE EVENTS LIKE THIS, THEN THE OCEAN WILL GO TOXIC. SHORTLY
AFTER THAT THE ATMOSPHERE GOES TOXIC AND EVERYTHING DIES. GOOD JOB EH?
FUCKING IDIOTS. <br><br>THIS IS WHY <br><br><div><div><div style="font-family:times-roman"><div style="font-size:16px"><b>Pilots, Doctors and Scientists Tell the Truth About Chemtrails </b></div></div><div style="font-family:times-roman;font-size:16px"><b><font color="#0056d6"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeTaejpg18g" style="color:purple" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=FeTaejpg18g</a></font></b></div></div><br><br></div><div>WE ARE BEING FORCED INTO A SPIRITUAL SOLUTION MIGHT AS WELL GET USED TO IT. <br><br><br></div><div><font size="6"><b>WE NEED DAILY MEDITATION ON PRISTINE EARTH AND BUILDING ORGONE DEVICES WORLDWIDE. START NOW AND DON'T STOP UNTIL ITS FIXED </b></font><br><br><br></div>BY,
THE WAY, ALL POLITICIANS ARE YOUR MORTAL ENEMIES, THEY ARE THE ONES
DOING THIS - AND YOU FUCKING IDIOTS ARE PAYING THEM TO DO IT.<br><br></div><div>ANOTHER WASTE OF MY TIME <br><br></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Ilja Schmelzer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ilja.schmelzer@googlemail.com" target="_blank">ilja.schmelzer@googlemail.com</a><wbr>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Zoltan Losonc writes:<br>
> I would suggest to Arend, to convert this email list into a forum.<br>
<br>
At least for some alternative theories, which fit under the umbrella<br>
of "Hidden Variable Theories", I have already created a forum at<br>
<a href="http://ilja-schmelzer.de/forum/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ilja-schmelzer.de/forum<wbr>/</a><br>
<br>
I have to admit that, even if it is open to various alternative<br>
approaches, I'm interested only in such approaches which are<br>
compatible with modern physics. In particular, the theories I propose<br>
there have general relativity and the standard model of particle<br>
physics as limits.<br>
<br>
So, they are "alternative" mainly in the philosophy which is used,<br>
what is rejected is the positivism of modern physics, the "shut up and<br>
calculate" ideology, what is, instead, allowed and supported are<br>
classical hidden variable approaches.<br>
<br>
Ilja Schmelzer<br>
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