<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Ruud,<br><br></div> I think what is comes down to, is the two different conceptions of magnetism put forward by Maxwell and Einstein. Maxwell believed that Faraday's magnetic lines of force were real, and that it was like a vortex loop in an ideal fluid. The Maxwellian laws of magnetism are thereby based on fluid dynamics, and they work in predicting electromagnetic phenomena, in fact it was through this rationalization that Maxwell discovered that light was a transverse electromagnetic wave, See: <a href="http://www.conspiracyoflight.com/Maxwell/MaxwellOnPhysicallines.pdf">http://www.conspiracyoflight.com/Maxwell/MaxwellOnPhysicallines.pdf</a><br></div> However, if space is filled with this ideal fluid, and magnetic lines of force are real vortices in this fluid, then it must be stationary in a single absolute frame of reference (i.e. the Lorentz ether). Magnetic lines of force would be exactly like the vortex filaments of a superfluid. However, if Einstein's proposition were correct, then magnetic phenomena would arise only by the relative motion of observers, there would be no such thing as a magnetic field existing in an absolute frame of reference. This is why the Faraday Paradox experiments are important, because they suggest that magnetic induction can occur without the counter-movement of observers, but rather, simply by rotation with respect to an absolute frame of reference. If you find this difficult to believe, then you should check out Tonomura's excellent video on visualizing magnetic lines of force using electron micrography: <br><br><a href="http://vega.org.uk/video/programme/66">http://vega.org.uk/video/programme/66</a><br><br></div>He actually was able to visualize bundles of magnetic lines moving on the surface of superconductors, and doing amazing things like annihilating each other! It is a fascinating watch. It is hard not to see magnetic lines as real, physical entities, after watching this! <br><div><br>My short article on it: <a href="http://www.conspiracyoflight.com/Lorentz/Lorentzforce.html">http://www.conspiracyoflight.com/Lorentz/Lorentzforce.html</a><br><br></div><div>Doug<br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 1:07 AM, Ruud Loeffen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rmmloeffen@gmail.com" target="_blank">rmmloeffen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello Doug.<div><br></div><div>What intriges me is that you presume: <span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:helveticaneue,"helvetica neue",helvetica,arial,"lucida grande",sans-serif"><i>Again, it brings us back to the idea that an "absolute frame of reference" has a physical meaning.</i></span></div><div><font color="#000000" face="helveticaneue, helvetica neue, helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif">Can you explain how/why your experiments relate to an absolute frame of reference. Could you detect or deduce some parameters about that reference frame? That could be of high importance for understanding basic physic phenomena (as gravitation).</font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="helveticaneue, helvetica neue, helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="helveticaneue, helvetica neue, helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif">Best regards.</font></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><font color="#000000" face="helveticaneue, helvetica neue, helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="helveticaneue, helvetica neue, helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif">Ruud Loeffen.</font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="helveticaneue, helvetica neue, helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="helveticaneue, helvetica neue, helvetica, arial, lucida grande, sans-serif"><br></font></div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 2:16 AM, Doug Marett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dm88dm@gmail.com" target="_blank">dm88dm@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi James - glad you liked it - I did try running it inside a big Helmholtz coil to cancel out the magnetic field at one point, and it didn't appear to make a difference, probably because the Earth's magnetic field was about 160x smaller than the solenoid field I was using. But perhaps it would behave differently at higher altitudes, I think it would have to be made more sensitive for that because right now the voltages generated are tiny. <br><br></div>thanks for watching - Doug<br></div><div class="m_4142815064879849304HOEnZb"><div class="m_4142815064879849304h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 12:45 PM, James Rose <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:integrity@prodigy.net" target="_blank">integrity@prodigy.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68690">Doug,</div><div id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68694"><br></div><div id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68693">Fascinating experiments. Question: Have you -- or, Can you -- run the same experiments at different -altitudes-, to see if there is a difference in the values generated?</div><div id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68720"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68917">I have a suspicion you will generate different values - because - you are generating effects of interaction with the earth's magnetic field, and the values generated will be different at alternative altitudes. It would be fascinating to propose and run miniaturized sample runs inside the ISS, International Space Station as well. Then aboard a 'stationary orbit" satellite, versus on the moon, versus at Legrange points. (these later locations being for the future to run, :-) )<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68989"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68988">Jamie Rose<br></div><div id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68691"><span></span></div><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137qtdSeparateBR" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68692"><br><br></div><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yahoo_quoted" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68946" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68945"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68944"> <div dir="ltr" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68943"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Doug Marett <<a href="mailto:dm88dm@gmail.com" target="_blank">dm88dm@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> General Physics and Natural Philosophy discussion list <<a href="mailto:physics@tuks.nl" target="_blank">physics@tuks.nl</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:29 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Physics] "Real" time<br> </font> </div> <div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137y_msg_container" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68949"><br><div id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428"><div id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68948"><div><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766h5"><div dir="ltr" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68947"><div id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68986"><div id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68987">Thanks Ruud! <br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> What is so interesting to me about it is that the research suggests that magnetic induction can occur without even the counter-movement of a magnet and a conductor, or even a changing magnetic field. Rather, all that is necessary is the rotation of a magnet/conductor together with respect to "the fixed stars". Again, it brings us back to the idea that an "absolute frame of reference" has a physical meaning. <br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Doug<br clear="none"></div></div></div><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428gmail_extra" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68954"><br clear="none"><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428yqt0295377663" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428yqtfd86000"><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428gmail_quote" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68953"><div><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766h5">On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Ruud Loeffen <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:rmmloeffen@gmail.com" target="_blank">rmmloeffen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></div></div><blockquote class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68952"><div><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766h5"><div dir="ltr" id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68951">Hi Doug.<div id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68985"><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68984">Congratulations to you. I hope you will gain recognition for your work. It's pretty difficult for me to understand, but it seems to me accurate and convincing. Good luck! Thumps up!👍</div><div id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68950"><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477984793210_68983">Ruud Loeffen</div></div></div></div><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766h5"><div><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428h5"><br clear="none"><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Doug Marett <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:dm88dm@gmail.com" target="_blank">dm88dm@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Everyone,<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> Just wanted to share with you my latest research testing one of Einstein's ideas. This is the explanation of the Faraday Paradox / unipolar dynamo.<br clear="none"> The just released Youtube video is here: <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://youtu.be/c5wgmTGi5pU" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/c5wgmTGi5pU</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Seems that the evidence is in and there are some very strange things happening with magnetic induction! Check it out! <br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div>The part 1 of the video is here, for context: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gduYoT9sMaE" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=gduYoT9sMaE</a><span class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428m_-8317253357892919750HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><span class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428m_-8317253357892919750HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"></font></span><div><br clear="none"></div>Doug<br clear="none"></div><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428m_-8317253357892919750HOEnZb"><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428m_-8317253357892919750h5"><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Ilja Schmelzer <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:ilja.schmelzer@googlemail.com" target="_blank">ilja.schmelzer@googlemail.com</a> ></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="m_4142815064879849304m_7741937059604872766m_3981670201774017137yiv7131259428gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>2016-10-30 19:30 GMT+01:00, Thomas Goodey <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:thomas@flyingkettle.com" target="_blank">thomas@flyingkettle.com</a>>:<br clear="none">
> The above statements are not expressed in space-time terms.<br clear="none">
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</span>Indeed. But this does not make them wrong. I do not doubt that they<br clear="none">
can be translated into spacetime language, but see no advantage from<br clear="none">
this. In fact, they become weaker in this way.<br clear="none">
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>> Another important<br clear="none">
>> class is related with causality: If event A has causally<br clear="none">
>> influenced event B, then when A has happened before B has<br clear="none">
>> happened.<br clear="none">
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</span><span>> This statement is also subject to the same clarification as<br clear="none">
> I have given above.<br clear="none">
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</span>With statements about causality the weakening becomes even more<br clear="none">
obvious. As far as a translation of causal statements into spacetime<br clear="none">
language is possible at all, it has to be formulated in a language,<br clear="none">
which does not lead into contradictions if applied to solutions with<br clear="none">
causal loops, like the Goedel universe.<br clear="none">
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So I doubt that "clarification" is the appropriate word here.<br clear="none">
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