<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Arend,<br><br></div> Thanks for the additional feedback. I followed up on your suggestion and tried to bubble a gas over the magnet in a water bath to see if the bubbles would curve due to the Lorentz effect (assuming they might be negatively charged as you suggest). I made a short video of the result here: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS4PkR_BkRo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=eS4PkR_BkRo</a> (unlisted). <br></div>I found bubbling air problematic, since the bubbles were too big, I eventually settled on generating CO2 from evanescent sodium bicarbonate in water. This made nice bubbles but I could not get them to react to the magnet - they seemed to go just straight up. I don't know if this is because they were neutrally charged, or if the velocity was too slow. Anyway, I gave it a try and you can view the result at the above link. <br><br></div>Doug<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Arend Lammertink <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lamare@gmail.com" target="_blank">lamare@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Doug and group,<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 4:27 AM, Doug Marett <<a href="mailto:dm88dm@gmail.com">dm88dm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi Arend and the group,<br>
><br>
> Just to be thorough, I thought I had better perform the actual experiment<br>
> with the magnet in the electrolysis bath just to be sure that the flows<br>
> obeyed the predictions of the Lorentz force. This didn't take long, so I<br>
> have a video prepared already that was just posted tonight to YouTube at:<br>
> <a href="https://youtu.be/HXAVyzxRSS0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/HXAVyzxRSS0</a><br>
> I also used this opportunity to see if the motion of the charged<br>
> particles would be influenced by rotating the magnet underneath the bath,<br>
> which is a test included in the video.<br>
><br>
<br>
Interesting experiment!<br>
<br>
What would happen if you were to pump tiny bubbles of air into the<br>
water, while a magnet is present either in the fluid or just<br>
underneath it?<br>
<br>
You see, there is a rather interesting presentation by Prof. Gerald<br>
Pollack, who discovered that a 4th state of water exists:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS4PkR_BkRo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=eS4PkR_BkRo</a><br>
<br>
"Gerald Pollack - This paper largely comprises a draft chapter of my<br>
forthcoming book, The Fourth Phase of Water: Beyond Solid, Liquid and<br>
Vapor (Ebner and Sons, 2012). I preface it by providing some<br>
background. School children learn that water has three phases: solid,<br>
liquid and vapor. But we recently uncovered what appears to be a<br>
fourth phase. This phase occurs next to water-loving (hydrophilic)<br>
surfaces. It is surprisingly extensive, projecting out from the<br>
hydrophilic surface by up to millions of molecular layers.<br>
A principal attribute of this phase is that it excludes particles and<br>
solutes because of its liquid crystalline nature. We have therefore<br>
labeled this phase the "exclusion zone" or EZ for short. Of particular<br>
significance is the observation that the EZ is [negatively] charged;<br>
and, the water just beyond is oppositely charged. This creates a<br>
battery that can produce current. We found that light recharges this<br>
battery. Thus, water can receive and process electromagnetic energy<br>
drawn from the environment - much like plants. The material below<br>
outlines the evidence that water acts as a battery. "<br>
<br>
<br>
According to his theory, this liquid crystallic state of water, akin<br>
to ice, is negatively charged and is a/o formed at the surface of a<br>
water-air boundary. So, it this is correct, any gas bubble under water<br>
would be surrounded by such a negatively charged EZ layer and thus one<br>
would expect any bubble moving under water in a magnetic field to be<br>
influenced by the Lorentz force.<br>
<br>
Might be an interesting experiment...<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Arend.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> Doug<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Arend Lammertink <<a href="mailto:lamare@gmail.com">lamare@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Doug,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Doug Marett <<a href="mailto:dm88dm@gmail.com">dm88dm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Also, crucially important is<br>
>> > the recent experimental observation that superfluids can support the<br>
>> > propagation of transverse waves<br>
>> > <a href="https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990730072958.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.sciencedaily.com/<wbr>releases/1999/07/990730072958.<wbr>htm</a><br>
>><br>
>> This seems to be an interesting experiment. I found a few places where<br>
>> the Nature paper "Discovery of the Acoustic Faraday Effect in<br>
>> Superfluid 3He-B " behind this news report can be downloaded:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/9902129v2" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://arxiv.org/abs/cond-<wbr>mat/9902129v2</a><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/278389486_Discovery_of_the_acoustic_Faraday_effect_in_superfluid_He-3-B" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/<wbr>publication/278389486_<wbr>Discovery_of_the_acoustic_<wbr>Faraday_effect_in_superfluid_<wbr>He-3-B</a><br>
>> <a href="https://archive.org/details/arxiv-cond-mat9902129" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://archive.org/details/<wbr>arxiv-cond-mat9902129</a><br>
>><br>
>> Will give this some further thought.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Arend.<br>
>><br>
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