<div dir="auto"><div>Hi Ruud,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for sharing this. Based on clues derived from you book, I have developed some geometries that most probably explains the physical significance of Lorentz Factor . Here is the link:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/55i03093z93hc60/Lorentz%20Factor.pdf?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/s/55i03093z93hc60/Lorentz%20Factor.pdf?dl=0</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have also updated the same on Quora.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://bigquestionsofuniverse.quora.com/BIG-BATHROOM-UNIVERSE-PART-7">https://bigquestionsofuniverse.quora.com/BIG-BATHROOM-UNIVERSE-PART-7</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For dark energy please refer to following link:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnmo3qu77vtvibt/Dark%20Energy.pdf?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnmo3qu77vtvibt/Dark%20Energy.pdf?dl=0</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That is how I see it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">By the time discussion starts next month, please have a look,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Tufail<br><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 Dec 2016 12:51, "Ruud Loeffen" <<a href="mailto:rmmloeffen@gmail.com">rmmloeffen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Stavros Tassos</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:s.tassos@yahoo.com" target="_blank">s.tassos@yahoo.com</a>></span><br>Date: Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:30 PM<br>Subject: Σχετ: Re: expansion of mass<br>To: Ruud Loeffen <<a href="mailto:rmmloeffen@gmail.com" target="_blank">rmmloeffen@gmail.com</a>><br><br><br>Dear Ruud<div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482035583771">Thank you for the invitation to participate in the discussion which I gladly accept, but please take into consideration my time limitations.</div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482045789956">I went through your mind blowing gravitation and I think the that conforms to the physical reality.</div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482046058675">A few points from my side to consider.</div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482046113383">1. It will be more appropriate to talk about growing earth and universe than expanding since we both refer not to the "blowing" or decreasing in density of a given quantity of mass.</div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482048771260">2. In the same line of thought the Gravitational Constant G is not the expansion rate of the universe, but rather the "stretching" rate of it, which implies higher frequency with time, ie evolution, or in other words more waves in the same absolute space.</div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482048351604">3. There is no point of talking about elementary or other discrete particles since the cosmos is a waving material continuum.</div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482049263524"><br></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482035543133">Of course I have no objections of posting any of my work. </div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482049309971"><br></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482049313444">Thank you for the wishes which I warmly reciprocate.</div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482049394291"><br></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482049397818">As for the difficulties the Greek people have, which we definitely do to the greatest degree, it is a global problem of the 99% of people against the 1% that has the real power in its hands.</div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482049697303"><br></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482049766826">With warmest regards </div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482049787953">Stavros </div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482049609157"><br><br><br><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665ymail_android_signature"><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank">Στάλθηκε από το Ταχυδρομείο Yahoo σε Android</a></div> <br> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 20px 0"> <header style="font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:#6d00f6"> <div>Στις Σάβ, 17 Δεκ, 2016 στις 9:20, ο χρήστηςRuud Loeffen</div><div><<a href="mailto:rmmloeffen@gmail.com" target="_blank">rmmloeffen@gmail.com</a>> έγραψε:</div> </header> <div style="padding:10px 0 0 20px;margin:10px 0 0 0;border-left:1px solid #6d00f6"><div><div class="m_3618761052911982297h5"> <div dir="ltr">Hello Stavros.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>How are you? Busy I think, because Greece needs a lot of support these days.</div><div>Did you see <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/seafloor-sensor-observatory-16122016/?utm_source=ZME+Science+Newsletter&utm_campaign=fa06b72f88-ZME_Science_Daily3_6_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3b5aad2288-fa06b72f88-242708965&ct=t(ZME_Science_Daily11_8_2014)" target="_blank">this news</a>: <img src="cid:8Wioi9jLJbI770VB852p" alt="Inline image 1" width="472" height="265" id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665ymail_ctr_id_-68905-35"></div><div>I think you follow these items as much as possible.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482035671454">Did you read Mind-blowing gravitation? The latest version is <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/03yrwkf5z7hhprg/Mind-blowing%20Gravitation.%20RMM%20Loeffen%2025%20Nov%202016.pdf?dl=0" id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yMail_cursorElementTracker_1482035667300" target="_blank">this one on dropbox</a>. I added appendix 4 about the expansion of the earth and mentioned your paper. However: the link is not direct. If you agree (or have some suggestions about text changes) let me know and perhaps you want to share a direct link to your paper? This version with appendix 4 <b>is not public available yet: it's ment for discussion and </b><b>developing</b><b>.</b> </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Do you want to participate? We will start in January.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>For now "Merry Christmas and a happy New Year" for you and your family as for your nation Greece too.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Best regards.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Ruud Loeffen.</div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yQTDBase m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yqt8120726316" id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665yqt88679"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_3618761052911982297h5">On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Ruud Loeffen <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">rmmloeffen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_3618761052911982297h5"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Stravros<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you for your reply. I hope this will
be a start of a very important approach to combine the premise of expansion of
matter for<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- the earth<br clear="none">
- particles such as electrons, photons and neutrinos, less elementary, such as
protons and neutrons (in which quarks and gluons are confined), or composite,
such as atoms and atomic nuclei<br clear="none">
- the universe <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Here are my question and answer. Perhaps it’s
good to know that I am not a scientist in physics. </span><span lang="EN-US">I am not a mathematician, nor a
physicist, nor a cosmologist. My profession was teaching students who want to
work in social welfare. I am very interested in human behavior and the human
brain. So I tried to study human nature and wrote a book about this subject: <i>How
to change our human behavior, about the biological factor in human behavior</i>.
</span><i><span lang="EN-US">See </span></i><span lang="EN-US"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.human-dna.org/" target="_blank">http://www.human-DNA.org</a><i> </i> In
general: my big interest is the human consciousness about space and time
related to our individual experience of life.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br clear="none"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I add my question and answers in a separate Word document.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br clear="none"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If you still see some possibility to go on exchanging our ideas I will send you a link to my paper <i>"Mind-blowing Gravitation. Gravitation equals expansion."</i></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br clear="none"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I hope to hear from you again.<br clear="none"></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">PS: I did not understand this sentence you wrote: </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-align:justify"><font size="1" style="font-style:italic">As for the expansion of the earth or the universe, it is out of my reasoning any expansion of the earth or the universe as per a given quantity of mass occupying a greater volume.</font> Perhaps you can explain what you mean because it could be a resemblance with my concept or just the opposite. My statement would be that the expansion of the earth and the universe implies the occupation of a greater volume by a greater mass (m^3 per kg s^2) by converting energy in to mass.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br clear="none"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards.</span></p><span class="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"></font></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br clear="none"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Ruud Loeffen <span></span></span></p></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665h5"><br clear="none"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_3618761052911982297h5">On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 2:26 AM, Stavros Tassos <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">s.tassos@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><div class="m_3618761052911982297h5"><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_3684"><span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4282">Dear Ruud</span></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_3684"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_3684"><span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_3916">Thank you for your note and for taking the time to read my paper. Indeed I do not have much time, but I am very much interested in your work.</span></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_3684"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_3684"><span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4283">I am sending to you the essence of my work in the form of question and answer, and I would like someting similar from your part, because I want first to understand the physical meaning of any proposition, and then its mathematical formulation. </span></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_3684"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4180" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4181" lang="EN-US">Question :<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4183" style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4184" lang="EN-US">What is the response of a material continuum,
i.e., a medium with mass and without vacuum, thus being the depository of infinite
mass and energy (1/mass), which due to its mass content, i.e., inertia, has a limited
and constant-invariant speed, c, and which is absolutely elastic for speeds lower
or equal than c, and absolutely rigid
for speeds equal to c, thus giving the physical meaning of space
and time between cause and effect, and which continuum, due to its infinite
mass, is under constant extension-attraction (gravity-G)? <u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4186" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span lang="EN-US"><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4186" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4187" lang="EN-US">Answer :<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4189" style="margin-left:18.0pt;text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4190" lang="EN-US">1.<span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4191" style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></span><span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4956" lang="EN-US"><span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_4957" style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></span><span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_5140" lang="EN-US">The
material continuum will deform linearly up to c, since it is absolutely elastic
up to c, and then it will start to write a perfect cyclic trajectory, due to
its absolute rigidity for speeds greater than c, the extra energy being used for
the change of direction of motion, and not for the increase of its velocity,
since its deformation rate cannot exceed c. This is the cyclic-reversible component
of motion, and cosmos is a material continuum because otherwise, if it was made
of of discrete particles, it could not wave, and each wave, regardless of its length,
is the materialized infinity since it can be analyzed in an infinite number of
waves with higher frequency, and the rate of its extension (energy) to its
compaction (mass) is constant, according to E=mc<sup id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_5141">2</sup>.</span></div>
<div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_5142" style="margin-left:18.0pt;text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_5143" lang="EN-US">2.<span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_5144" style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'">
</span></span><span id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_5145" lang="EN-US">Since
the now waving material continuum continues to be under constant stretching it
will respond by waving at a higher frequency – smaller radius of the cycle,
thus increasing the mass and energy density, according to E=hf, of a given
space unit. That being the unidirectional-irreversible, towards greater frequency-complexity, evolutionary component of our dialectically material cosmos. </span></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_5142" style="margin-left:18.0pt;text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_5142" style="margin-left:18.0pt;text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph">As for the expansion of the earth or the universe, it is out of my reasononing any expansion of the earth or the universe as per a given quantity of mass occupying a greater volume. </div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_5142" style="margin-left:18.0pt;text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_5142" style="margin-left:18.0pt;text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph">Best regards</div><span class="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"></font></span><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_5142" style="margin-left:18.0pt;text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph">Stavros </div></div></div><div><div class="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897h5"><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_5142" style="margin-left:18.0pt;text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"> <br clear="none"></div>
<div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477765831031_5148"></div> <div class="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yahoo_quoted" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><div class="m_3618761052911982297h5"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, October 28, 2016 10:04 AM, Ruud Loeffen <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">rmmloeffen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> </div></div><div class="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926y_msg_container"><div id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yiv5611295671"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="m_3618761052911982297h5">Hello Stavros.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>I read your message to Arend Lammerink about physics discussion and your paper about the earth. Perhaps you are interested too in my paper "Mind-blowing Gravitation. Gravitation equals expansion". Since you are busy in politics I wonder if you have time to read it. I made a connection with Lorentz Transformation of mass-energy, the Gravitational Constant and expansion. Recently I made calculations what the expansion would mean per atom. In your paper I found some very interesting connections.</div></div></div><div>So let me know if you are interested and have some time left. Then I will give you the link to my paper. You can also read some discussion about it on this physics form via the archive function: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://mail.tuks.nl/pipermail/physics/2016-October/thread.html" target="_blank">http://mail.tuks.nl/ pipermail/physics/2016-October /thread.html</a> (by my name Ruud Loeffen)</div><span><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I am very convinced that the earth is expanding. But I don't know if you can agree that the acceleration of 9,8 m/s^2 also is the result of expansion and can be the result of Lorent Transformation calculation of energy-mass conversion.</div><div><img src="cid:lmTxn1xrrWLpd4ve75GE" alt="Inline image 2" width="310" height="250" style="margin-right:0px" id="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665ymail_ctr_id_-828548-36"><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div class="m_3618761052911982297m_-5488247969787858665m_1256498591147264897m_1568921579808743926yiv5611295671gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif" size="2"><b>Ruud Loeffen</b></font><div><font face="monospace, monospace">Paardestraat32</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">6131HC Sittard</font></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div>
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