<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi Norm,<br><br></div> I agree with you Norm! I actually felt that Han's initial response to you was unnecessarily rude : )<br><br></div>Doug<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Norm Silliman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:silliman@mindsync.com" target="_blank">silliman@mindsync.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_2861232580907942539moz-cite-prefix">Hans van Leunen,<br>
<br>
Thank you for the observation (and for the pun). If the
Gravity Model (part of Physics), needs to be done<br>
with multidimensional differential calculus, why has a 100 years
gone by and the multidimensional differential <br>
calculus people (there is estimated 1000's of them) failed to do
the job. And they didn't even get shamed for<br>
failing.<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
<br>
Norm<div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 1/16/2017 4:26 AM, Hans van Leunen wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5">Norman Silliman,
<div>You have silly thoughts. If there is one part of physics that
cannot do with proper mathematical models, then it is gravity
and especially inertia.</div>
<div>So if you want to dive into that subject then you better
learn enough about multidimensional differential calculus. If
you do not want to do that, then you better select a different
hobby because with gravity without math you can only make a fool
of yourself.</div>
<div>Sincerely yours,</div>
<div>Hans van Leunen,</div>
<div><a href="http://docs.com/hans-van-leunen" target="_blank">docs.com/hans-van-leunen</a><br>
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Datum : 16/01/2017 00:04<br>
Aan : <a class="m_2861232580907942539moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:physics@tuks.nl" target="_blank">physics@tuks.nl</a><br>
Onderwerp : Re: [Physics] Start up Task Force Gravitation
group<br>
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<div class="m_2861232580907942539moz-cite-prefix"> To Mr Abbas, Serret and
Loeffen, <br>
<br>
I am interested in participating in this topic of
gravity. I bring a group of experimental evidence that <br>
I find useful for me to narrow down the possibilities of
what 'Gravity is' and how 'Gravity works'. <br>
BUT I come to you with grave doubts in the utility of
Mathematics to build theoretical models. <br>
<br>
And since gravity 'looks' exactly like rocket
acceleration and centrifuge acceleration, the topic of
gravity <br>
may bleed off into references of 'forces'. <br>
<br>
Norman Silliman <br>
<br>
On 1/15/2017 6:18 AM, Ruud Loeffen wrote: <br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Dear colleagues.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>As announced earlier in my
Email October 23 2016 I want to join forces on the
topic of gravitation. I got confirmation from 3
members. So, we are ready to start.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>We:<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Tufail Abbas:</span></b><span>
Writer of Big Bathroom Universe- The universe is
made of an stationary cubic lattice structure
through which space and time moves, resulting into
all matter and energy that we see. By developing
this framework of cubic lattice structure it has
been envisioned that it would possible to express
all physical properties (i.e. space, time, energy,
charge, momentum, temperature, velocity, force
etc.) in terms of the geometric parameters (i.e.
length, surface area, volume, angle, orientation,
cycles) of the base structure. The force of gravity
or any other force is caused due to movement of
space through mass (or charge) to extra dimensions
which is apparently observed as the state of rest in
our optically visible dimensions.<br>
<b>Olivier Serret:</b></span><font face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">engineer, holds
up a neo-Newtonian approach: basically, it is the
Newtonian mechanics, except than gravitational
mass is different from the inertial mass. It
allows to demonstrate the Lorentz factor</span><span class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-apple-converted-space"><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></span><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">γ</span></font><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">,
a new rule for the velocities addition, the
synchrotron radiation and the perihelion
precession of Mercury</font><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-style:italic;color:black">(</span></span><span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3xZ5r1hi9s" title="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3xZ5r1hi9s" target="_blank"><em><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">https://www.youtube.<wbr>com/watch?v=-3xZ5r1hi9s</span></em></a></span><em><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">). </span></em><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">The interest of
this theory is to be in coherence </span><span>with</span><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> the universal
time of the Quantum Mechanics (and of course of
the Newtonian mechanics).</span></font><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><br>
</span><b><span>Stavros Tassos:</span></b><span></span><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Writer of the Excess Mass Stress Tectonics
- EMST model, whereby the waving at light speed
c=299792458 m/s and under constant
stretching space is the infinite source of all mass.
Energy and matter are sine waveforms of local
anisotropy in the elastic, large-scale isotropic
continuum, which is lossless and has infinite
elasticity to any velocity lower than c, and
infinite rigidity to any velocity equal or greater
than c. Earth's inner core is an equilibrium high
tension-frequency location, wherein energy -
unpaired standing or travelling waves transform into
matter - paired standing waves which are added, in a
solid-state, atom-by-atom around the core.</span><b><i><span style="font-size:7.5pt;line-height:107.0%;font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:black;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span></span></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Ruud Loeffen:</span></b><span>
The central question of my studies has always been
“How does the human mind perceive the surrounding
world and regulate the interaction between human
beings and the environment?” Another item I studied
is gravitation and cosmology, writing a booklet
about this: "Mind-blowing Gravitation. Gravitation
equals expansion" to demonstrate the possibility
that the Lorentz transformation of mass-energy could
play a key role in expansion of matter. To gain
cooperation on the topic of Gravitation I support
this start up on Gravitation.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:107.0%"><br>
</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:107.0%">Our purpose:<span></span></span></b></p>
<p class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst"><span>1.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7.0pt;line-height:normal">
</span></span><span>We will form a <b>“Task Force
Gravitation” </b>with 4 – 7 members with a
widespread range of sciences. </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:107.0%;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Members of this Task Force are willing to<font color="#000000"> </font></span><font color="#000000"><strong><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">share their
criticism</span></strong><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> <b>about the
current explanations of Gravitation</b></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:107.0%;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><b>, and
exchange their ideas, equations and calculations<span class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-apple-converted-space"> </span>about
Gravitation</b></span></font><span style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:107.0%;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><b><font color="#000000">.</font> Members
also must be willing to let lose the own theory</b>.
(period: January 16 - February 1)</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span><span><span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span>2.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7.0pt;line-height:normal">
</span></span><span>We will prepare a document <b>“Startup
Gravitation”</b> that should provide a brief
overview of status regarding understanding of
gravity and the proposed way forward. We will try to
create a new paper. Probably we need some elements
of different theories to put together. Some parts to
combine, some parts to throw away, some parts to
change. (period February 1 - April 1)<span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span>3.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7.0pt;line-height:normal">
</span></span><span>We will write a document <b>“Foundation
for gravitation”. </b><br>
It's about macro objects and elementary particles,
radiation, waves and the aether field. Macro and
micro should connect as gravity starts at the center
of the nucleus and extends to farthest region of the
Universe. Most important aim is to find <b>irrefutable
evidence</b> for this theory that gives solid base
and is understandable for laymen and journalists.</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:107.0%;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> (period April 1 - December 1)</span><span><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>We welcome somebody with
knowledge of following mathematical stuff as related
to physics: Vector Algebra, Riemann Geometry,
Complex Numbers, Various derivations of Pi,
Circumference of Ellipse, Zeta Function, Hilbert
Spaces.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">possible connections with theories of
other members</span><span>:<span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst"><span>a)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7.0pt;line-height:normal">
</span></span><span>Constant length of photon and
transformation from Euclidean to space-time format;
Hans van Leunen<span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span>b)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7.0pt;line-height:normal">
</span></span><span>acceleration and gravitation;
Mike Lawrence<span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span>c)<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7.0pt;line-height:normal">
</span></span><span>aether and field; vortex
phenomena Arend Lammertink<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>We will welcome members who
want to join this Task Force. Please pay attention
to point 1: "Members also must be willing to let
lose the own theory”.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
</span></p>
<div style="font-size:12.8px"> From <span style="font-size:12.8px">January 16 - February 1
we aim to make our group definitive. </span> </div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">In the next step </span>
<b style="font-size:12.8px">“Startup Gravitation” </b>
<span style="font-size:12.8px">(period February 1 -
April 1)</span> <font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> I will make a list of
questions for step 2, that the members can edit
also.</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> To
continue to step 3 (the document) we will make an
outline for the document with all relevant
chapters and especially we will try to find </span></font>
<span style="font-size:12.8px"><b>irrefutable
evidence</b> for this theory that gives solid base
and is understandable for laymen and journalists.</span>
<span style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:13.5533px;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> (period April 1 - December 15).</span> </div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:13.5533px;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><br>
</span> </div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:13.5533px;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">If we want to
change the steps 1 -3 or to change the periods, we
can do also. </span><span style="font-size:12.6667px">For every step members of the TFG are
invited to help determine the outlines.</span> <span></span></span></p>
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="comic sans ms,
sans-serif" size="2"><b>Ruud Loeffen on behalf
of Tufail Abbas, Olivier Serret, Stavros
Tassos.</b></font>
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