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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Doug,<br>
<br>
Questioning authority is one method I know of that gives us a
chance to learn new stuff. The Relativity<br>
Paradigm has had a 'strangle hold' on the Physic world for a 100
years.<br>
<br>
So it is a nice thing when Han will talk to me. Exchanging
questions is a good thing. I thought his response<br>
was a little blunt (but not necessary rude).<br>
<br>
Thanks for understanding my counter comment. Since I can't
counter his/their math, I am stuck with logic<br>
and examples of evidence. <br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
<br>
Norm<br>
<br>
On 1/16/2017 12:40 PM, Doug Marett wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Norm,<br>
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I agree with you Norm! I actually felt that Han's initial
response to you was unnecessarily rude : )<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Norm
Silliman <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div class="m_2861232580907942539moz-cite-prefix">Hans van
Leunen,<br>
<br>
Thank you for the observation (and for the pun). If
the Gravity Model (part of Physics), needs to be done<br>
with multidimensional differential calculus, why has a
100 years gone by and the multidimensional differential
<br>
calculus people (there is estimated 1000's of them)
failed to do the job. And they didn't even get shamed
for<br>
failing.<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
<br>
Norm
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On 1/16/2017 4:26 AM, Hans van Leunen wrote:<br>
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<div class="h5">Norman Silliman,
<div>You have silly thoughts. If there is one part
of physics that cannot do with proper mathematical
models, then it is gravity and especially inertia.</div>
<div>So if you want to dive into that subject then
you better learn enough about multidimensional
differential calculus. If you do not want to do
that, then you better select a different hobby
because with gravity without math you can only
make a fool of yourself.</div>
<div>Sincerely yours,</div>
<div>Hans van Leunen,</div>
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Onderwerp : Re: [Physics] Start up Task Force
Gravitation group<br>
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To Mr Abbas, Serret and Loeffen, <br>
<br>
I am interested in participating in this
topic of gravity. I bring a group of
experimental evidence that <br>
I find useful for me to narrow down the
possibilities of what 'Gravity is' and how
'Gravity works'. <br>
BUT I come to you with grave doubts in the
utility of Mathematics to build theoretical
models. <br>
<br>
And since gravity 'looks' exactly like
rocket acceleration and centrifuge
acceleration, the topic of gravity <br>
may bleed off into references of 'forces'. <br>
<br>
Norman Silliman <br>
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On 1/15/2017 6:18 AM, Ruud Loeffen wrote: <br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Dear colleagues.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>As announced
earlier in my Email October 23 2016 I
want to join forces on the topic of
gravitation. I got confirmation from 3
members. So, we are ready to start.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>We:<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Tufail
Abbas:</span></b><span> Writer of
Big Bathroom Universe- The universe is
made of an stationary cubic lattice
structure through which space and time
moves, resulting into all matter and
energy that we see. By developing
this framework of cubic lattice
structure it has been envisioned that
it would possible to express all
physical properties (i.e. space, time,
energy, charge, momentum, temperature,
velocity, force etc.) in terms of the
geometric parameters (i.e. length,
surface area, volume, angle,
orientation, cycles) of the base
structure. The force of gravity or any
other force is caused due to movement
of space through mass (or charge) to
extra dimensions which is apparently
observed as the state of rest in our
optically visible dimensions.<br>
<b>Olivier Serret:</b></span><font
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">engineer,
holds up a neo-Newtonian approach:
basically, it is the Newtonian
mechanics, except than gravitational
mass is different from the inertial
mass. It allows to demonstrate the
Lorentz factor</span><span
class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-apple-converted-space"><span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></span><span
style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">γ</span></font><span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><font
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">,
a new rule for the velocities
addition, the synchrotron radiation
and the perihelion precession of
Mercury</font><span
style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-style:italic;color:black">(</span></span><span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3xZ5r1hi9s"
title="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3xZ5r1hi9s" target="_blank"><em><span
style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">https://www.youtube.<wbr>com/watch?v=-3xZ5r1hi9s</span></em></a></span><em><span
style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">).
</span></em><font face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif"><span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">The
interest of this theory is to be in
coherence </span><span>with</span><span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">
the universal time of the Quantum
Mechanics (and of course of the
Newtonian mechanics).</span></font><span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><br>
</span><b><span>Stavros Tassos:</span></b><span></span><span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Writer
of the Excess Mass Stress Tectonics -
EMST model, whereby the waving at
light speed c=299792458 m/s and under
constant stretching space is the
infinite source of all mass. Energy
and matter are sine waveforms of local
anisotropy in the elastic, large-scale
isotropic continuum, which is lossless
and has infinite elasticity to any
velocity lower than c, and infinite
rigidity to any velocity equal or
greater than c. Earth's inner core is
an equilibrium high tension-frequency
location, wherein energy - unpaired
standing or travelling waves transform
into matter - paired standing waves
which are added, in a solid-state,
atom-by-atom around the core.</span><b><i><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;line-height:107.0%;font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:black;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span></span></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Ruud
Loeffen:</span></b><span> The
central question of my studies has
always been “How does the human mind
perceive the surrounding world and
regulate the interaction between human
beings and the environment?” Another
item I studied is gravitation and
cosmology, writing a booklet about
this: "Mind-blowing Gravitation.
Gravitation equals expansion" to
demonstrate the possibility that the
Lorentz transformation of mass-energy
could play a key role in expansion of
matter. To gain cooperation on the
topic of Gravitation I support this
start up on Gravitation.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:107.0%"><br>
</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:107.0%">Our
purpose:<span></span></span></b></p>
<p
class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst"><span>1.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7.0pt;line-height:normal">
</span></span><span>We will form a <b>“Task
Force Gravitation” </b>with 4 – 7
members with a widespread range of
sciences. </span><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:107.0%;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Members
of this Task Force are willing to<font
color="#000000"> </font></span><font
color="#000000"><strong><span
style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">share
their criticism</span></strong><span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> <b>about
the current explanations of
Gravitation</b></span><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:107.0%;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><b>,
and exchange their ideas,
equations and calculations<span
class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-apple-converted-space"> </span>about
Gravitation</b></span></font><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:107.0%;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><b><font
color="#000000">.</font> Members
also must be willing to let lose the
own theory</b>. (period: January 16
- February 1)</span><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span><span><span></span></span></p>
<p
class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span>2.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7.0pt;line-height:normal">
</span></span><span>We will prepare a
document <b>“Startup Gravitation”</b>
that should provide a brief overview
of status regarding understanding of
gravity and the proposed way forward.
We will try to create a new paper.
Probably we need some elements of
different theories to put together.
Some parts to combine, some parts to
throw away, some parts to change.
(period February 1 - April 1)<span></span></span></p>
<p
class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span>3.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7.0pt;line-height:normal">
</span></span><span>We will write a
document <b>“Foundation for
gravitation”. </b><br>
It's about macro objects and
elementary particles, radiation, waves
and the aether field. Macro and micro
should connect as gravity starts at
the center of the nucleus and extends
to farthest region of the Universe.
Most important aim is to find <b>irrefutable
evidence</b> for this theory that
gives solid base and is understandable
for laymen and journalists.</span><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:107.0%;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">
(period April 1 - December 1)</span><span><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>We welcome
somebody with knowledge of following
mathematical stuff as related to
physics: Vector Algebra, Riemann
Geometry, Complex Numbers, Various
derivations of Pi, Circumference of
Ellipse, Zeta Function, Hilbert
Spaces.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">possible
connections with theories of other
members</span><span>:<span></span></span></p>
<p
class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst"><span>a)<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7.0pt;line-height:normal">
</span></span><span>Constant length of
photon and transformation from
Euclidean to space-time format; Hans
van Leunen<span></span></span></p>
<p
class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span>b)<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7.0pt;line-height:normal">
</span></span><span>acceleration and
gravitation; Mike Lawrence<span></span></span></p>
<p
class="m_2861232580907942539gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span>c)<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7.0pt;line-height:normal">
</span></span><span>aether and field;
vortex phenomena Arend Lammertink<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>We will welcome
members who want to join this Task
Force. Please pay attention to point
1: "Members also must be willing to
let lose the own theory”.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
</span></p>
<div style="font-size:12.8px"> From <span
style="font-size:12.8px">January 16 -
February 1 we aim to make our group
definitive. </span> </div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px"> <span
style="font-size:12.8px">In the next
step </span> <b
style="font-size:12.8px">“Startup
Gravitation” </b> <span
style="font-size:12.8px">(period
February 1 - April 1)</span> <font
color="#000000"><span
style="font-size:12.8px"> I will
make a list of questions for step 2,
that the members can edit also.</span><span
style="font-size:12.8px"> To
continue to step 3 (the document) we
will make an outline for the
document with all relevant chapters
and especially we will try to find </span></font>
<span style="font-size:12.8px"><b>irrefutable
evidence</b> for this theory that
gives solid base and is understandable
for laymen and journalists.</span> <span
style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:13.5533px;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> (period
April 1 - December 15).</span> </div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px"> <span
style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:13.5533px;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><br>
</span> </div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:13.5533px;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">If
we want to change the steps 1 -3 or
to change the periods, we can do
also. </span><span
style="font-size:12.6667px">For
every step members of the TFG are
invited to help determine the
outlines.</span> <span></span></span></p>
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="comic
sans ms, sans-serif" size="2"><b>Ruud
Loeffen on behalf of Tufail
Abbas, Olivier Serret, Stavros
Tassos.</b></font>
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