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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>To All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#111111'>At every progression instant, a private stochastic mechanism provides each elementary module with a new spatial location. Consequently, these point-like objects hop around in a stochastic hopping path. After a while, the hop landing locations have formed a stochastic hop landing location swarm. The mechanism applies a stochastic process that owns a characteristic function. This characteristic function acts as a displacement generator for the swarm and equals the Fourier transform of the location density distribution of the generated hop landing location swarm. Therefore, at first approximation, the swarm moves as a single unit. The elementary module hops in a quick and violent way. The geometric center of the swarm moves much more smoothly. The displacement generator describes the movement of this geometric center. Each hop landing causes a reaction of the field that embeds the elementary module. This reaction is a solution of the homogeneous second order partial differential equation that describes the behavior of the embedding field. For isotropic single-shot triggers, this equation offers solutions in the form of a spherical shock front. (I call this type of solutions clamps). During travel, the amplitude of the clamp diminishes as 1/r with distance r from the trigger point. When integrated over a long enough period, the clamp results in the Green's function of the embedding field. After that period, the clamp has faded away. However, since the swarm consists of a huge number of clamps that group densely and because the swarm is recurrently regenerated, the swarm still represents a significant deformation of the embedding field. Each participating clamp represents a standard bit of mass, and the mass of the elementary particle is proportional to the number of participating clamps. The convolution of the mentioned Green's function of the embedding field with the location density distribution of the swarm determines the contribution to the deformation of the embedding field. In fact, such contributions of elementary modules form the embedding field. Elementary modules constitute all modules, and modular systems.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#111111'>What we call gravitation field is a smoothed version of the discussed embedding field.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#111111'>Look into https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Hilbert_Book_Model_Project for more details.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#111111'>You</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#111111'> might have noticed that this description does not directly apply the wavefunction of the elementary module. Of course, elementary modules are elementary particles. The location density distribution of the hop landing location swarm equals the squared modulus of the wave function of the elementary particle. Elementary modules constitute all other modules. Also, modules move as single units. They own a displacement generator, which is the Fourier transform of the location density distribution that describes its footprint in the embedding field. This displacement generator is the characteristic function of the stochastic process that generates the footprint of the module. Thus, the characteristic function of the footprint is the superposition of the characteristic functions of the processes that generate the composing elementary modules. The superposition coefficients are functions that allow the elementary modules to move within the realm of the module. Thus, the stochastic mechanisms play a significant role in the binding of elementary modules. They also control the dynamic coherence of the model.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Clamps perform the task that is claimed for the Higgs. The LHC did not prove that the detected “Higgs” particle is an elementary particle. The LHC did not prove that the “Higgs” particle or the “Higgs” field provides other particles with mass. Clamps are known since two centuries! Separate clamps cannot be observed. That is why physicists ignores them. However, in huge quantities combined in coherent swarms, clamps become observable and play a significant role.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Sincerely yours, Hans van Leunen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Physics [mailto:physics-bounces@tuks.nl] <b>Namens </b>Tufail Abbas<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zaterdag 10 juni 2017 15:21<br><b>Aan:</b> Stavros Tassos <s.tassos@yahoo.com><br><b>CC:</b> Physics@tuks.nl<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Physics] gravity is NOT a force<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;background:white'>Ok! Then please remove the name of Mr. Higgs from the discussion. </span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;background:white'>Please note that I am not talking here about Higgs PARTICLE, but only a FIELD (call it by any name) which is not moving irrespective of how we are moving. And movement wrt such a field is responsible for increase in mass of object. Now some people may call the same background as isotropic continuum, some may call it by the name aether, some say it is Space-time. If we are able to reach to the essence and produce exact physical description and cause of such background, then we may be able to realize that these are just different names for same background.</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;background:white'>So that was about meaningfulness abount bringing in Higgs FIELD into discussion. Otherwise, I am also not convinced with presence of a new PARTICLE to explain the Mass Gain. </span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;background:white'>Thanks for your kind understanding.</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;background:white'>Tufail </span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 10, 2017 4:47 PM, "Stavros Tassos" <<a href="mailto:s.tassos@yahoo.com">s.tassos@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292"><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yui_3_16_0_1_1497098056063_7751"><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yui_3_16_0_1_1497098056063_7750"><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292yui_3_16_0_1_1497098056063_3377"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>If we agree that the above mentioned statements and their consequences correspond to actuality, then any discussion about Higgs particles, fields and the like is not only meaningless but disorienting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292yui_3_16_0_1_1497098056063_3377"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292yui_3_16_0_1_1497098056063_3377"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Stavros<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yui_3_16_0_1_1497098056063_7753"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292yqtfd68096"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:32 PM, Tufail Abbas <<a href="mailto:tufail.abbas@gmail.com" target="_blank">tufail.abbas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292"><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear All <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>I also agree in principle to the following statements from Stavros Message, based upon reading his paper Z-Infinity. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>1. Space-time is everything.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>2. Empty space does not exist as a physical entity.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>3. Space and time exist as physical entities.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>4. Space-time has a cyclic and a unidirectional component.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>5. Space-time is a waving continuum and is curved because of its waving nature.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>6. Space-time is absolutely elastic at speed < c, and absolutely rigid for any speed >= c.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Physicist Matt Strassler made a very important statement as follows, regarding Higgs Fields and Space-time at <a href="https://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/the-higgs-particle/the-higgs-faq-2-0/" target="_blank">https://profmattstrassler. com/articles-and-posts/the- higgs-particle/the-higgs-faq- 2-0/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>“No matter how you are moving, you are not moving relative to the Higgs field. That sounds bizarre, but remember something else bizarre: that no matter how you are moving, light is moving about relative to you at the same speed, namely 300,000 meters per second. Our intuition for space and time is not correct — that’s what Einstein figured out — and it is possible for there to be fields that are at rest with respect to all observers!”</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>What are your thoughts on the above.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Tufail Abbas<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>On Jun 10, 2017 1:34 PM, "Stavros Tassos" <<a href="mailto:s.tassos@yahoo.com" target="_blank">s.tassos@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292yqt70907"><div><div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear all<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>A few comments that demonstrate my thoughts about space-time and gravity.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>1. Space-time is everything, is the infinite repository of all mass, in the form of energy (uncoupled standing waves) and matter (coupled standing waves). <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>2. The cause and effect relationship is omnipresent, and logic is the reflection of it in our minds. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>3. Empty space does not exist as a physical entity. Space and time exist as physical entities because space is filled with mass. If there was no mass and no inertia, i.e., empty space, the cause and effect will occur immediately, i.e., at zero time and zero space. Another consequence of space being filled with mass-inertia is that light speed is the maximum speed with which space can deform. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>4. Space-time is absolutely elastic up to the light speed, and absolutely rigid for any speed equal or greater than that. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>5. Space-time is a waving continuum, i.e., sinusoidal wave, and discrete particles do not exist as physical entities. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>6. Space-time is curved because of its waving nature.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>7. Because of the waving, material and infinite nature of space-time, each wave, regardless of its wavelength, is the materialization of infinity, and space-time is under constant stretching, and this is gravity all about.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>8. Due to the above, space-time has a cyclic and a unidirectional component, which is due to its constant stretching, moving from lower to higher frequencies. This in physical terms means that in the same absolute space we have more waves, like stretching the cord of a guitar, the coupled standing waves (matter) being the structural units of all material objects, thus giving the physical meaning to the notion of evolution and increased complexity with time. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yui_3_16_0_1_1497081366621_3773"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Stavros Tassos <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Saturday, June 10, 2017 9:30 AM, Ilja Schmelzer <<a href="mailto:ilja.schmelzer@gmail.com" target="_blank">ilja.schmelzer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>2017-06-09 21:23 GMT+02:00, <a href="mailto:carmam@tiscali.co.uk">carmam@tiscali.co.uk</a> <<a href="mailto:carmam@tiscali.co.uk">carmam@tiscali.co.uk</a>>:<br>> Hi Ilja. Space does not distort time or clock showings (readings).<br><br>Of course, it is only the spacetime interpretation which names the<br>gravitational field "spacetime", which makes such claims.<br><br>But, of course, there is a gravitational field everywhere, even where<br>we have no other particles. Talk about empty space makes no real<br>sense, given that we have various fields (not only gravity, also the<br>EM field and all the other fields of the SM) everywhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="m_-1076046931036450617yiv9415688292m_-6899310427060208556m_4032448947277960046m_-609677092929534512m_-1903527824283159427m_-4084650880068109865yqtfd83180"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br><br>______________________________ _________________<br>Physics mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Physics@tuks.nl">Physics@tuks.nl</a><br><a href="http://mail.tuks.nl/cgi-bin/ma">http://mail.tuks.nl/cgi-bin/ma</a> ilman/listinfo/physics<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>______________________________ _________________<br>Physics mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Physics@tuks.nl" target="_blank">Physics@tuks.nl</a><br><a href="http://mail.tuks.nl/cgi-bin/" target="_blank">http://mail.tuks.nl/cgi-bin/</a>ma ilman/listinfo/physics<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>