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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">Dear Ruud,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">Thank you. The editor asked me to expand my original paper by adding the section on history. I am grateful that he asked
me. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">I think that actual masses are invariant and constant. I do not think that the actual mass increases with velocity but
the resistance caused by the photons a mass moves through increases as a result of the Doppler effect. (That is light itself prevents a body from moving faster than the speed of light). My papers on this subject can be found here:
<a href="http://labs.plantbio.cornell.edu/wayne/">http://labs.plantbio.cornell.edu/wayne/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">I think that the gravitons can also increase the apparent mass of any body that moves through it, also as a result of the
Doppler effect. The asymmetry results in the precession of the perihelion during the orbit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">I hope the papers linked to my website answers your questions. If not, I am happy to expand.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">randy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> Ruud
Loeffen [mailto:rmmloeffen@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General Physics and Natural Philosophy discussion list <physics@tuks.nl>; Randy O. Wayne <row1@cornell.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Physics] Physics Digest, Gravitational Waves<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Helllo Randy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your interesting and well written paper. I liked also the short history about
<i>"Le Sage's hypothesis and the atmosphere in which his</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>hypothesis was considered".</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a question regarding your paper. You <span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:black">wrote: </span><i><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:blue">"weight and gravitational acceleration can be understood in terms of Euclidean space and Newtonian
time—a commonsense alternative to the general theory of relativity"</span></i><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span>Do you mean <span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:black"> that relativity effects due to accelerated velocity (or orbital velocity) are not applicable
and that the Lorentz Transformation of Mass Energy (as from Julian Schwinger) are not involved. Do you conclude that the measurements in the LHC (where Kinetic Velocity is converted to Mass) are fake? <br>
You wrote: "</span><i><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:blue">Thomson [24], one of the founders of the second law of thermodynamics, realized that if “the gravific corpuscles leave…with less energy than they had before collision, their effect must be to continually
elevate the temperature throughout the whole mass. The energy which must be attributed to the gravific corpuscles is so enormously great, that this elevation of temperature would be sufficient to melt and evaporate any solid, great or small, in a fraction
of a second of time.” Thomson [24] could solve this paradox by assuming that the gravific corpuscles were not mathematical points but were capable to carrying with them significant amounts of rotational and vibrational energy" </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:black">Do you think that it is possible that the gravitons insert a part of their energy to the surface area of the Mass (and inwards) and that this Mass is increasing? I think about the theory of Stavros
Tassos, that the Mass of the earth is increasing and that we can measure this at the surface of the earth. See his paper: The Model of the Oceanic Crust with this direct link: <a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3rzUqJwR5KpYktpZ241NzdYRDQ">https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3rzUqJwR5KpYktpZ241NzdYRDQ</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:black">Best regards.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:black">Ruud Loeffen.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Randy O. Wayne <<a href="mailto:row1@cornell.edu" target="_blank">row1@cornell.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear Tufail Abbas,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks for your kind words. I hope the equations come through in this pdf version.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">randy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Physics [mailto:<a href="mailto:physics-bounces@tuks.nl" target="_blank">physics-bounces@tuks.nl</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tufail Abbas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 6, 2017 12:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General Physics and Natural Philosophy discussion list <<a href="mailto:physics@tuks.nl" target="_blank">physics@tuks.nl</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Physics] Physics Digest, Gravitational Waves<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear Randy,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Your paper is really interesting!!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Could you please share the version of paper with those equations included.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 6 Oct 2017 7:37 pm, "Randy O. Wayne" <<a href="mailto:row1@cornell.edu" target="_blank">row1@cornell.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear Carl Johnson,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think that even if the wavelength of gravitational waves were 3 x 10^6 m and they traveled at 3 x
10^8 m/s, it would only take 0.01 s to pass through a detector. For other reasons I favor La Sage gravitation over general relativity. I am attaching a paper of mine that is in press.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thank,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Physics [mailto:<a href="mailto:physics-bounces@tuks.nl" target="_blank">physics-bounces@tuks.nl</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 6, 2017 10:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:physics@tuks.nl" target="_blank">physics@tuks.nl</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Physics] Physics Digest, Gravitational Waves</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recently, the Nobel Prrize Committees showed how "political" their decisions are and where actual science is not that
important to them. They gave some Nobel Prizes in Physics regarding Gravitational Waves that have allegedly been detected.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Please look into the following. The Newtonian Gravitational formula is essentially identical to the Coulomb's Law
formula. Gravitational mass instead of electrical charge and the value of the Constant arre the only differences. Everyone knows the similarity of Electromagnetism and Gravitation, where gravitation is so relatively weak by a factor of trillions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">About fifteen years ago, I did the math regarding both of them. You guys can do it as well, and I am sure you will
be as surprised as I was at the math results.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It is easy to calculate that for electromagnetism, we can see an "entire wave" of microwaves in a fraction of a billionth
of a second. Simple Physics.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Fifteen years ago, I did that same simple math for gravitation, and I found that "one wave length" clearly takes many
thousands of years to complete. Yes, gravitational waves certainly DO exist, but they are SO large that in anyone's life, no one can witness even a tiny fraction of "one wavelength". Specifically, if a gravitational wave was passing through our region right
now, a single wave is currently in the Orion Belt stars and here at the same time. Yes, that gravitational wave must carry incredible Energy in it, but to try to DETECT such a wave is clearly essentially impossible.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Those Researchers never bothered to mention such frequency or wavelength. The Nobel Committee never had a clue of
this enormous difficulty regarding any experiment to try to detect any sinusoidal wave that is so huge and slow. If anyone would (or will) ever notice this wavelength and frequency issue, they would see how impossible it is for us humans to detect such things
(even though I certainly agree that they exist.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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a specific Nobel Prize. Why don't one of you do that?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I certainly respect the work of many of my fellow Physicists. But hadn't Nobel considered awarding a Prize to those
two "physicists" who had claimed to produce "cold fusion" some time back. It was only after actual Physicists examined those clasims that it became obvious that the claim was foolish. Unfortunately, this is probably again the situation regarding detecting
Gravitational Waves.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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