<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>James, </div><div><br></div><div>My paradigm is also not limited to thermodynamics. It is also about space-dimensions-information-transformation-transposition etc. </div><div><br></div><div><strong>I would pick up your following statement:</strong></div><div><br></div><div>So, what is REALLY happening with calculus - as a general operator? Is information dimensionally transformed (compressed; expanded), or, is intrinsic information "dimensionally retained" .. just dimensionally transposed?</div><div><br></div><div><strong>An then I supplement it with my following statement which I made in my previous emails:</strong><br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="auto">Past is memory, Present is observable and Future is a possibility. In this way all three can co-exist as piece of information at different coordinates of space.</div></div><div><br></div><div><strong>Relationship between two statement:</strong></div><div><br></div><div>We do not only need the physical means to save the information, but we also need to understand those operators/operations that are continuously transforming Future Information (that which has not happened) to Past Information (which has happened), and Present being just the boundary or surface at which Past and Future information interact so that we can observe it. And then we have to ensure that despite interacting (at Present), two kind of information should be separate enough so that we can distinguish Future Information from Past Information. Therefore first level classification is that we need two kind of format to save information:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Format suitable for saving Future Information</div><div>2. Format suitable for saving Past Information.</div><div><br></div><div>You discussed about QM and its statistical interpretation. Usually accepted interpretation (i.e. Copenhagen Interpretation) is that physical system GENERALLY do not have definite properties prior to being measured/observed, which is different from relativity where outcome is not dependent upon act of measurement. </div><div><br></div><div>So clearly there are two format of information, one suitable for memory(or Past Information) and another suitable for saving probable/statistical events(or Future Information). The generalization of statistical QM systems, for all systems is certainly an error, that has resulted into some misinterpreted Multiverse concepts. If we just focus on what is observed and interpret it without generalization and extrapolation, it become apparent that</div><div><br></div><div>1. QM data / information is probabilistic hence Future Information, which does not become reality unless it is observed or measured in Present. </div><div>2. All other data / information which is beyond QM Systems are Past Information as it is no more remain probabilistic.</div><div><br></div><div>An Present is just the surface of observation sandwiched between Past and Future Information</div><div><br></div><div><strong>Closing Statement:</strong></div><div><br></div><div>To close, I re-state the following statement, which I mentioned in a previous emails:</div><div><br></div><div>Free-will as we observe, seems to be the exclusive property of living matter, and You writing the email are a living matter. Life is a bit complex under the domain of other subject of science, and any theories of physics has not explained it. Physics theories can only say whether freewill( or life) can effect small scale changes, allowed within an Universe changing deterministically at large scale. For Example: No matter, how many emails You write, it will not change the fact that Earth will complete one trip round Sun every year, which is a large scale change. And Universe is much bigger than the Solar System.</div><div><br></div><div>Now, it is upto you how would like to connect all of the above or not :)</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Tufail<br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 at 01:36, James Rose <<a href="mailto:integrity@prodigy.net">integrity@prodigy.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div class="gmail-m_887682135375341828ydp2fae3526yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
<div>Tufail, <br></div><div><br></div><div><div>I have been meaning to write back to you and John .. from my investigations about systems dynamics, and mathematical interpretations. I shall do that soon, as time permits, but for the moment, I want to comment on your closing question, <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> "What alternative 3-D truth exists which mathematically appears/behave as 4D continuum?"</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Superb question. The possible answer requires a deeper analysis of mathematical relations - and - how they correspond with our intuited~experienced notion of 'dimensions', and, if information retains the same initial interpretations .. when .. we change frames of reference.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">We intuit einsteinian~reimann notions related to 'physical~temporal spaces'. But no one has dissected if similar elastic relations or translations happen when we navigate alternative (adjacent) exponential 'frames of reference' (in mathematical senses).</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">We assume that the math relations and physical relations map exactly, but from my analysis - that might not be the case.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Examine calculus integration~differentiation for example (where in simple cases the most obvious effect is whole integer increase and decrease of exponents that result after a calculus operation is calculated).</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Area under a curve ; slope of a line at a point along a curve ; etc. eg. That is. the functions produce what look like totally -different- math information.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Now, use polar trig calculus instead. Such as X=r sin Theta (a circle with a one perimeter point at (0,0). <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Integrate or differentiate the equation. What results is x = r cosine theta (+ or - depending on which operator). Graph the result.</div><div dir="ltr">The graph is a RETAINED circle ... that is ... exactly the same geometric "information" ... except: transposed 90 degrees.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">So, what is REALLY happening with calculus - as a general operator? Is information dimensionally transformed (compressed; expanded), or, is intrinsic information "dimensionally retained" .. just dimensionally transposed?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I know this deduction is going to sound crazy .. but the answer to coordinating QM with relativity (where dimensions and continuums are freshly understood as more fundamental than the QM statistical mathematics which we currently rely on) ... resides in going back down into basic math definitions and correcting omissions and omitted interpretations.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">QM math - as well as it seems to work in physics descriptions - is effectively a 'work around', because humanity is struggling with a limited understanding of math~information~dimensions~continuum relations .. and is totally missing the relations about entropy -- which is -not- (in my paradigm) limited to only thermodynamics. Entropy is applicable to gradients everywhere and that includes -fields- ... that have intrinsic differential strengths and values. Fixation on thermodynamics is like chaining our minds to a limited fixed definition .. one and only one example form of 'entroepy'. Even -those- analyses are larger and more complicated~inter-related.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Just some 2018 'holiday' thoughts :-)</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">James</div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:integrity@prodigy.net" target="_blank">integrity@prodigy.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>================== <br></div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, December 3, 2018, 12:56:46 PM PST, Tufail Abbas <<a href="mailto:tufail.abbas@gmail.com" target="_blank">tufail.abbas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="gmail-m_887682135375341828ydp4f1206e7yiv5366972879"><div><div><div>Tom,</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Usually I do not believe in criticizing unless an alternate possible solution is discussed. Relativity is a well formulated and widely accepted theory.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>So my question would be that if not Relativity then what?.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Every theory is built upon certain basic assumption and if those assumptions are not actual truth, then it is certain that theory is in error. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>In case of relativity that assumption is about the physical existence of a "body of reference"/ coordinate system extending from -infinity to infinity for every moving body. The truth may be completely different from what Einstein has proposed.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Quoting from the paper which you shared, Einstein himself admitted that: </span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">"In practice, the rigid surfaces which constitute the system of co-ordinates are generally not available ; furthermore, the magnitudes of the co-ordinates are not actually determined by constructions with rigid rods, but by indirect means. If the results of physics and astronomy are to maintain their clearness, the physical meaning of specifications of position must always be sought in accordance with the above considerations"</span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Despite the above admission, he assumed as follows for formulation of his theory of relativity. </span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">"Every description of events in space involves the use of a rigid body to which such events have to be referred. The resulting relationship takes for granted that the laws of Euclidean geometry hold for "distances;" the "distance" being represented physically by means of the convention of two marks on a rigid body".</span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We have to recognize that in practice/reality , atmost only a 2-D surface is ever available as a rigid body of reference: like the surface of earth. </span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Due the practical non-existence of such a "rigid body of reference"/"coordinate system" for 3-D, for all those applications to which relativity is related, the validity of the theory is doubtful if it is based upon such a coordinate system which assumes that.</span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">1. All length intervals or distance between neighbouring points are equidistant.</span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">2. All points of space are available(continue) for positioning a physical object made of matter. </span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Indeed, maths should represent what is physical, and we should seek for truth of physically existing coordinate system that represent our reality, not the mathematical coordinate system assumed by Einstein.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">POSSIBLE ALTERNATE REALITY</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Physical properties of space are based on all kinds Fields that exists in that space. </span><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:11pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The existence and interaction of Fields should possibly alter some configuration of space, so that length separation between neighbouring "available points" are not same everywhere, but time interval is same. </span></div><div><font face="arial"><span style="font-size:14.66px;white-space:pre-wrap"><br clear="none"></span></font></div><div><font face="arial"><span style="font-size:14.66px;white-space:pre-wrap">IMPLICATIONS OF PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE <br clear="none"></span></font><br clear="none"><div class="gmail-m_887682135375341828ydp4f1206e7yiv5366972879gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">1. Space is divided by equidistant time interval , hence time becomes absolute.</div><div dir="ltr">2. Space is not divided by equidistant length interval, hence it may still become possible to explain constant speed of light for all observers. </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:14.66px;white-space:pre-wrap">RELATED QUESTIION </span><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">What alternative 3-D truth exists which mathematically appears/behave as 4D continuum?</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Regards,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Tufail </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail-m_887682135375341828ydp4f1206e7yqt9374642223" id="gmail-m_887682135375341828ydp4f1206e7yqt60454">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Physics mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Physics@tuks.nl" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">Physics@tuks.nl</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://mail.tuks.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/physics" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://mail.tuks.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/physics</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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