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<div><br></div><div>Ruud .. Thank you for the Quora upvotes! Am glad my posts made sense to you. :-) James<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 1:23:58 AM PST, Ruud Loeffen <rmmloeffen@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp8375d722yiv2788800144"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello James, Tufail, Doug et al.</div><div><br clear="none"></div>Interesting ideas about the cause of motions. These ideas relate lately mostly to fluid dynamics and the characteristics of a "field". In collaboration we will find the truth. I see around me a big change in how a group of physicists and scholars now is working together by commenting and trying really to understand somebodies ideas. It is very nice to be a part of this development. I feel that there is something important going on. Indeed:
<span id="ydp8375d722yiv2788800144gmail-docs-internal-guid-574bfe50-7fff-c565-2f4d-087149fbf966"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">Interesting to read: </span><a shape="rect" href="http://alternativephysics.org/book/ElectricFields.htm" style="text-decoration-line:none;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;text-decoration-line:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">http://alternativephysics.org/book/ElectricFields.htm</span></a><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"> </span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">Bernard Burchell </span><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">A free </span><a shape="rect" href="http://alternativephysics.org/book/index.htm" style="text-decoration-line:none;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;text-decoration-line:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">on-line book containing classical alternatives to modern physics theory.</span></a></span><div>Let's continue.<br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Best regards.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Ruud Loeffen.</div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydp8375d722yiv2788800144gmail_quote"><div class="ydp8375d722yiv2788800144yqt6132897619" id="ydp8375d722yiv2788800144yqt14184"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 2:45 PM James Rose <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:integrity@prodigy.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">integrity@prodigy.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="ydp8375d722yiv2788800144gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="ydp8375d722yiv2788800144gmail-m_2478696472164196797gmail-m_-2800071923113968049ydpf183f669yahoo-style-wrap"><div></div>
<div>Tufail, Doug, et al,<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I've been involved with General Systems Theory since the early 1970s. In the late 1990's after presenting a paper on re-defining entropy as a general primal property .. gradient .. that is primally present in all fields phenomena (versus being a mysterious secondary product of the interactions of the conventionally defined '4 fundamental forces'), one of the then-elder statesman of the systems organization putting on the conference at Asilomar CA, came up to me afterwards and made the simple statement to me ... "You are on the right track of investigation, Jamie, but the key is something you didn't discuss in your paper : 'least action'. You have to identify, discuss, and justify the differential pressure that accounts for motion and action .. what CONDITIONS or RELATIONS .. that are essentially present in the dimensional architecture of physical~phenomenal existence."</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Sage remarks. He and I never spoke again, and he passed away in the years since then. But he was right. <br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Even in the Standard model, even in susy (supersymetry), even in QM ... there is no directed conversation that justifies, explains, or accounts for motion and action PRIOR to the so-called 'fundamental forces'.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>A massive re-modelling of physics is required in order to see deeper into the "<b>dynamic</b> architecture" of physical existence .. on ALL SCALES together.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>James</div><div>Dec 6, 2018<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>===========</div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Thursday, December 6, 2018, 11:08:25 PM PST, Tufail Abbas <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:tufail.abbas@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tufail.abbas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp8375d722yiv2788800144gmail-m_2478696472164196797gmail-m_-2800071923113968049ydp7b24a296yiv0787532223"><div><div><div>Tom, Actually bernard following proposal is exactly in accordance with my ideas cause of all motion....</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-style:italic;">"This substance is continuously and perpetually generated within charged particles and moves away......."</span><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>This is the first instant that I saw a proposal similar to my ideas about cause of motion, being made by somebody else other than me. </div><div>So I meant to ask : How to experimentally prove this? Tufail <br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div class="ydp8375d722yiv2788800144gmail-m_2478696472164196797gmail-m_-2800071923113968049ydp7b24a296yiv0787532223yqt7143349908" id="ydp8375d722yiv2788800144gmail-m_2478696472164196797gmail-m_-2800071923113968049ydp7b24a296yiv0787532223yqt89101"><div><br clear="none"><div class="ydp8375d722yiv2788800144gmail-m_2478696472164196797gmail-m_-2800071923113968049ydp7b24a296yiv0787532223gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 7 Dec 2018, 02:47 <a shape="rect" href="mailto:carmam@tiscali.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">carmam@tiscali.co.uk</a> <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:carmam@tiscali.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">carmam@tiscali.co.uk</a> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="ydp8375d722yiv2788800144gmail-m_2478696472164196797gmail-m_-2800071923113968049ydp7b24a296yiv0787532223gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">Tufail, Bernard is speculating here as shown by the opening statement "<span style="font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Could an electric field be a similar phenomenon? Could what we describe as an electric field be in fact, not just be an abstract mathematical entity, but an actual flow of material that moves outward from a charge and imparts a force on other charges when it hits them?"</span><div>He also uses the word hypothesis.</div><div>He has some excellent ideas, and most of his work is based on fact. When he does diverge from fact he lets the reader know.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">Tom.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none">
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Date: 06/12/2018 17:05 <br clear="none">
To: <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:carmam@tiscali.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">carmam@tiscali.co.uk</a>>, "General Physics and Natural Philosophy discussion list"<<a shape="rect" href="mailto:physics@tuks.nl" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">physics@tuks.nl</a>><br clear="none">
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<div><div>Tom,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I was just going through the book of Alternative Physics through your provided link , and I came across the chapter of Electric Field and this hypothesis.</div><div> </div><div><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The Electric Field Hypotheses:</span><br style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14px;" clear="none"><br style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14px;" clear="none"><span style="font-style:italic;">Each charged particle generates something called ‘field substance’ which makes up what we call an electric field. This substance is continuously and perpetually generated within charged particles and moves away ..................... This substance is a not a mathematical abstraction, but an actual physical substance that travels through space. When it strikes another charged particle it exerts a force............</span><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none">Who will believe this? And why?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Tufail <br clear="none"><div class="ydp8375d722yiv2788800144gmail-m_2478696472164196797gmail-m_-2800071923113968049ydp7b24a296yiv0787532223gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div>
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