<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">To all physicist:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would like to point out to all physicists who care to listen that the law of entropy is not a law of physics; it is a law of statistics that is applied to physics and usually holds true. But as pointed out by James Clerk Maxwell, a clever sorting mechanism, known as Maxwell's demon, can be devised that violates the Law of Entropy. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Physicists have written hundreds of papers proving intellectually that entropy can not be violated, but none of these scientists have bothered to devise and perform experiments that attempt to violate entropy. They're fixated on the belief that the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle makes Maxwell’s Demon impossible. . . I guess they're not very clever at getting around inconvenient laws. The law of gravity inconveniently pulls everything down to Earth, yet I seem to recall several space probes sent to other planets and beyond that are never returning to Earth. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Entropy is not a law of nature! It holds true most of the time . . . but not all the time. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="5C13CB56-619D-45D8-9E3A-A05EBDD3D033" src="cid:2594ACD1-BF15-43D4-968D-FFB1C7DE9F75@fios-router.home" class=""><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">“Any discovery, theory, or observation that questions the status quo will be suppressed. That is a law of human nature more reliable than the law of entropy. </div><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""> Gordian knot</div><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""> <a href="mailto:5D@earthlink.net" class="">5D@earthlink.net</a></div><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:46 PM, <a href="mailto:kostadinos@aol.com" class="">kostadinos@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">James and All,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In the link below you will find some interesting results regarding Entropy. Among these is a rephrasing of the Second Law of Thermodynamics to read "all physical processes take some positive duration of time to occur".</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271076416_Entropy_and_'The_Arrow_of_Time'_A_Love_Story_by_Constantinos_Ragazas" class="">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271076416_Entropy_and_'The_Arrow_of_Time'_A_Love_Story_by_Constantinos_Ragazas</a><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Enjoy!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kostas</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>kostadinos@aol.com<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: James Rose <integrity@prodigy.net><br class="">To: General Physics and Natural Philosophy discussion list <physics@tuks.nl><br class="">Sent: Tue, Apr 28, 2020 12:51 AM<br class="">Subject: Re: [Physics] New topic question: Entropy<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div id="yiv2197038427" class=""><div class=""><div class="yiv2197038427ydpfcd7ec0ayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div class=""></div>
<div dir="ltr" class="">Ilja,<br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Intersting association. From my readings .. "entropy" came from Clausius, Gibbs, and Boltzmann . to mathematize dynamic phenomena related to gasses, machines and the industrial revolution.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">James<br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div>
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On Monday, April 27, 2020, 9:26:17 PM PDT, Ilja Schmelzer <ilja.schmelzer@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">The actual definition of entropy is not strongly associated with<br clear="none" class="">thermodynamics. It is, instead, part of Bayesian probability theory.<br clear="none" class="">They apply a method named "entropic inference" to a lot of very<br clear="none" class="">different things.<br clear="none" class=""><div class="yiv2197038427ydp696d9323yqt0795641950" id="yiv2197038427ydp696d9323yqtfd35765"><br clear="none" class="">2020-04-28 6:39 GMT+06:30, James Rose <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:integrity@prodigy.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:integrity@prodigy.net" class="">integrity@prodigy.net</a>>:<br clear="none" class="">> Good day, all,<br clear="none" class="">> Is anyone considering that current convention analysis/designations of<br clear="none" class="">> 'entropy' might be incomplete and worthy of further investigation?<br clear="none" class="">> I am a General Systems analyst ... dealing with such things as 'complexity',<br clear="none" class="">> emergence, enaction principles that are currently -different- between<br clear="none" class="">> non-living (effectively aka . "closed") systems .. and .. living<br clear="none" class="">> (effectively aka . "open") systems .. and if there is a way to correlate the<br clear="none" class="">> types more accurately .. where .. the possibility exists that they actually<br clear="none" class="">> have a -shared- core mechanism for their behaviors and performance<br clear="none" class="">> attributes~capabilities?<br clear="none" class="">> (sorry for the long question .. there is a lot to corral together and<br clear="none" class="">> consider simultaneously)<br clear="none" class="">> I have been looking at an essential adapted definition of entropy ... a<br clear="none" class="">> 'generalization' .. so to speak ... where it is not so strongly associated<br clear="none" class="">> with thermodynamics. I am not intimating such a new model has -no-<br clear="none" class="">> association with thermodynamics .. only that thermodynamics of only -one-<br clear="none" class="">> ... of -several- possible phenomena and dynamics .. where some other core<br clear="none" class="">> qualia which is central and key to "entropy" .. can be identified and seen<br clear="none" class="">> in non-thermodynamic evaluated systems.<br clear="none" class="">> I would appreciate any thoughts. I have begun the building of new equations<br clear="none" class="">> that exactly identify that attribute of entropic factors and especially ...<br clear="none" class="">> defining "-interactions- between local entropic groupings". [similar to<br clear="none" class="">> Prigogine's model of 'far from equilibrium' ..but even more general than his<br clear="none" class="">> equations (i.e. - not limited to chemistry)].<br clear="none" class="">> Thank you everyone, for considering my question(s). Looking forward to<br clear="none" class="">> responses and opinions.....<br clear="none" class="">><br clear="none" class="">> James (Jamie) <a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Roseintegrity@prodigy.netMinden" target="_blank" href="mailto:Roseintegrity@prodigy.netMinden" class="">Roseintegrity@prodigy.netMinden</a> NV (north NV near Carson<br clear="none" class="">> City)</div><br clear="none" class="">><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">_______________________________________________<br clear="none" class="">Physics mailing list<br clear="none" class=""><a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Physics@tuks.nl" target="_blank" href="mailto:Physics@tuks.nl" class="">Physics@tuks.nl</a><br clear="none" class=""><a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://mail.tuks.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/physics" class="">http://mail.tuks.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/physics</a><div class="yiv2197038427ydp696d9323yqt0795641950" id="yiv2197038427ydp696d9323yqtfd02073"><br clear="none" class=""></div></div></div>
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