[Physics] Physics Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2

Sat Feb 11 16:44:29 CET 2017

Hello Jesus,

Your derivation of G from e/m parameters is really interesting. In the
context of this derivation, I am interested to understand/probe for the
physical significance of its parameters. Hence I would be greatful, if you
may response to my below comments:

>>When the number of particles increases in a region of space, the space
itself increases in that region, making distances longer [5] in that region
of space. When the number of particles decreases in the same region of
space, the distances become shorter (the space reduces or shrinks) [5].

*Density of particle in a region resulting into increase or decrease of
space, sound like as if ‘particle’ is cause responsible for effect as
'space warping’. Therefore particle and space are two different physical
entities out there. Hence it is necessary that there should be a mechanism
or physical law by which these two entities interact with each other, and
we should be interested in discovering this mechanism.. Or otherwise , is
it being suggested/assumed by this paper that particle made of
energy/charge are somehow , one and same?*

>>Remember, that particles in this context mean not only mass particles but
also force carriers, mainly photons that are everywhere in space

*Mass particles  differs from photons, in the sense that they travels at
speed less than c. Will this difference account for any difference in
type/orientation etc of the space that is associated/created with each kind
of particles. Since the derivation is based only on electron and it's
emitted photons, what further implications should we assume for other
particles.*

>>Even with the not intuitive assumptions commented in chapter 1 and the
assumptions considered to perform the calculations, the result is
surprising anyhow…...The added value of this paper is that the theory leads
to a calculation of G using only electromagnetic parameters that is a way
of validating or at least giving some push to the theory.

*No doubt , this was a great paper trying to find a possible connection
between electromagnetism and gravity and such endeavor should continue.
Values matched, data fits in. In order to further validate the equation of
G, we need to discover the physical significance of each of the parameters
that is used in the equation. *

*As on date we still don't know, what exactly/ physically does E=mc2 mean,
or atleast their is no consensus in its physical meaning.*

Regards,

Tufail

On 10 Feb 2017 11:33, "Jesus Sanchez" <jesus.sanchez.bilbao at gmail.com>
wrote:

Dear David,

Welcome and thanks a lot for your kind words to my paper. I am glad you
enjoyed it. Wishing to read yours,

Best Regards,
Jesus Sanchez

El 10 feb. 2017 6:04 AM, "Sonic" <david at pantomimecorp.com> escribió:

Hi Physics thinkers,

I’m very excited to join this Physics Group with Ruud’s invitation.
Thanks, Ruud!
Please let me know if I’m contributing correctly.

I’m Dr. David Levitt, MIT ScD.  I was a student of Prof. Marvin Minsky,
founder of the Artificial Intelligence field.

Jesus, this is the first paper I’m looking at, and it’s very exciting to
see G derived this way, including confirmation that the units are correct.

In a moment I’ll post a draft paper for simple relativistic Gravity, that
could practically be derived from a dimensional analysis of G, so it’s
likewise exciting to see a natural match.

Warm regards,
David Levitt

On Feb 6, 2017, at 7:30 AM, Jesus Sanchez <jesus.sanchez.bilbao at gmail.com>
wrote:

Dear Mike,

Thanks for your answer. Do you have any paper/bibliography regarding that?
The only dimensionless G I have found, is the parameter αG,  the
gravitational coupling constant (Gme2/hc). This is not exactly G, as it has
the mass of the electron included.

What the papers attached (Silva's and mine) deduct, is an equation that
relates G with the fine structure constant αs (that depends on e, h, c
and ε0). These are the first papers I have found, that relate the
gravitational G with solely electromagnetic parameters with success.

G = [(4π2 αs2 ħc) ∕ mp2] exp[ παs ∕ (2√2) – 1 ∕ (√2αs)]=6,67408 ×10− 11 m3
k g− 1 s− 2

Thanks and best regards,
Jesús Sánchez

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Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2017 08:50:30 +0000
From: mikelawr at freenetname.co.uk
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Subject: Re: [Physics] Citation of Calculation of the Gravitational
        Constant G Using Electromagnetic Parameters
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Jesus,

If you use dimensional analysis, you will find that G is a
dimensionless constant that can be eliminated from all equations by
adjustment of SI units.

Cheers

Mike

On 04.02.2017 20:20,
jesus.sanchez.bilbao at gmail.com wrote:

> Dear Doctors,
>
> I inform
that my paper "Calculation of gravitational constant G using
electromagnetic parameters" (email below) has been cited in the attached
publication:
>
> "Links of Gravity with Electromagnetic and Weak
Couplings at Low Energies" by P. R. Silva (Universidade Federal de Minas
Gerais).
>
> http://rxiv.org/abs/1701.0613 [1]
>
>
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312897107_Links_of_
Gravity_with_Electromagnetic_and_Weak_Couplings_at_Low_Energies
[2]
>
> In this publication it can be read in page 2 the following:

>
> "This paper is largely inspired in a previous one published by
Jes?s S?nchez
>
> [2], and entitled: "Calculation of the gravitational
constant G using
>
> electromagnetic parameters". The results obtained
in section 2, reproduces
>
> S?nchez result [2], but we have used an
alternative path as a means to get
>
> it."
>
> So in the attached
paper, it is obtained the same result as equation for G (obtained in my
paper), but using a different method.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
>

> Jes?s S?nchez
>
> Enviado desde Correo [3] para Windows 10
>
>
DE: jesus.sanchez.bilbao at gmail.com [4]
> ENVIADO: viernes, 30 de
diciembre de 2016 10:39
> PARA: physics at tuks.nl [5]
> ASUNTO:
Calculation of the Gravitational Constant G Using
ElectromagneticParameters
>
> Dear all,
>
> I am glad to inform you
about the publication of the paper "Calculation of the Gravitational
Constant G Using Electromagnetic Parameters" . I hope you enjoy it!
Abstract and link to the journal below.
>
> Thanks and best regards,

>
> Jes?s S?nchez
>
>
http://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=73131 [6]
>

> ABSTRACT
>
> In this paper, we will derive the following formula
for the value of the gravitational constant _G_: (1). This equation has
only 0.81% error compared to the common accepted value [1]. The
parameters in the equation are the following: the fine structure
constant, _q_ the elementary charge, the mass of the electron, the
permittivity of the free space, _e_ the exponential function and the
relation between a circumference and its diameter. Values attached: [2],
[1], [1], [1], [3], [4], (Planck constant) [1], (speed of light) [1]. As
it can be checked, all of them are electromagnetic or mathematical
constants and properties of the electron. No constant related to gravity
has been used to arrive to this value. This formula has only 0.81% error
numerically and has the correct units. And it is the output of this
paper. To get to this formula, we will consider space as being composed
by the particles that occupy it. These particles include mass particles
and force carriers (as photons). The non-uniform distribution of these
particles creates distortions in space. These distortions create the
warping of space, making gravity appear as an emergent phenomenon.
Having in mind these considerations for a special case (an isolated
electron emitting photons) we get to this formula that validates the
assumptions.
>
> KEYWORDS
>
> Quantum Gravity [7], Concept of Space
[8], Gravitational Constant [9], Emergent Gravity [10], Size of a Photon
[11]
>
> CITE THIS PAPER
>
> S?nchez, J. (2017) Calculation of the
Gravitational Constant _G_ Using Electromagnetic Parameters. _Journal of
High Energy Physics, Gravitation and Cosmology_, 3, 87-95. doi:
10.4236/jhepgc.2017.31012 [12].
>
> Enviado desde Correo [13] para
Windows 10

Links:
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[1] http://rxiv.org/abs/1701.0613
[2]
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312897107_Links_of_
Gravity_with_Electromagnetic_and_Weak_Couplings_at_Low_Energies
[3]
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
[4]
mailto:jesus.sanchez.bilbao at gmail.com
[5] mailto:physics at tuks.nl
[6]
http://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=73131
[7]
http://www.scirp.org/Journal/articles.aspx?searchCode=Quantu
m+Gravity&searchField=keyword&page=1&SKID=0
[8]
http://www.scirp.org/Journal/articles.aspx?searchCode=+Conce
pt+of+Space&searchField=keyword&page=1&SKID=0
[9]
http://www.scirp.org/Journal/articles.aspx?searchCode=+Gravi
tational+Constant&searchField=keyword&page=1&SKID=0
[10]
http://www.scirp.org/Journal/articles.aspx?searchCode=+Emerg
ent+Gravity&searchField=keyword&page=1&SKID=0
[11]
http://www.scirp.org/Journal/articles.aspx?searchCode=+Size+
of+a+Photon&searchField=keyword&page=1&SKID=0
[12]
http://dx.doi.org/10.4236/jhepgc.2017.31012
[13]
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
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