[Physics] gravity is NOT a force

Sun Jun 11 00:41:01 CEST 2017

See below!

Hans

Van: Physics [mailto:physics-bounces at tuks.nl] Namens Tufail Abbas
Verzonden: zaterdag 10 juni 2017 20:08
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Onderwerp: Re: [Physics] gravity is NOT a force

Hello Hans,

Long time back, I visited your website pages and it was impressive. I was halted at the instant where you mentioned that photons have constant size. This was in agreement with my ideas, since quantization of e/m waves is inconsistent with varying sizes of photons, according to my point of view. So I took interest in Hilbert Book Model Project. But to the disappointment of my limitations, the model was highly mathematical which is not easily understood by me.

Perhaps, if you may address my below queries, it may become possible for me to delve into your mathematical insights, to figure out its physical significance,

Regards,

Tufail Abbas

On Jun 10, 2017 5:56 PM, "Hans van Leunen" <jleunen1941 at kpnmail.nl <mailto:jleunen1941 at kpnmail.nl> > wrote:

To All,

At every progression instant, a private stochastic mechanism provides each elementary module with a new spatial location. Consequently, these point-like objects hop around in a stochastic hopping path. After a while, the hop landing locations have formed a stochastic hop landing location swarm.

Tufail: What do mean by every progression instant,? Does this instant has any value in the units of second? Is this instant, something like minimum measurable time. Stochastic processes are described by a set of random variables. Is this randomness due to the reason that progression instant is further divided into sub-instances which are not measurable but real. Is measurement has to do anything with the structure/size of a module. Can you relate this with any such module which we are more familiar with like electron, proton, neutron, quarks, bosons etc. HvL The separable Hilbert space cannot support continuums. With other words, in that part of the model progression must step. It steps with the highest frequency that occurs in universe and the whole universerse proceeds with that step. The non-separable companion of the separable Hilbert space supports continuums. It embeds the separable Hilbert space and in the quaternionic background parameter space of this part of the model progression flows. The regeneration cycle of elementary particle is many orders of magnitude lower than the master clock of the universe. Still it ticks faster than most other processes. The stochastic mechanisms produce new locations at a rate that ticks with the master clock. A photon must be emitted within the regeneration time of an elementary module. The highest frequency photon is generated during annihilation of the particle. Then a warp is emitted for every clamp.

The mechanism applies a stochastic process that owns a characteristic function. This characteristic function acts as a displacement generator for the swarm and equals the Fourier transform of the location density distribution of the generated hop landing location swarm. Therefore, at first approximation, the swarm moves as a single unit.The elementary module hops in a quick and violent way. The geometric center of the swarm moves much more smoothly. The displacement generator describes the movement of this geometric center. Each hop landing causes a reaction of the field that embeds the elementary module.

Tufail: This is too much randomness smoothing out to certainty of displacement at large scale. I think this randomness/uncertainty is due to the limitation of basic module to measure states at sub-instances, as they are able measure state only as integration over one time period of progression intant. Can you describe the whole process (starting from inner product space) using atleast one generally known fundamental particle. For example: Say electron.HvL The HBM does not distinguish between elementary modules other than via ordering symmetry. The fact that the stochastic process owns a characteristic function that is the Fourier transform of the location density distribution of the stochastic swarm ensures that the swarm is coherent and moves as a single unit. The characteristic function acts as a displacement generator for the swarm. This is what Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle states. The momentum operator is the Fourier transform of the location operator.

This reaction is a solution of the homogeneous second order partial differential equation that describes the behavior of the embedding field. For isotropic single-shot triggers, this equation offers solutions in the form of a spherical shock front. (I call this type of solutions clamps). 

Tufail: This is highly mathematical. I prefer to keep the realization of mathematics / equations as the last step on the path to discovery. If queries on physical description and logical consistency are addressed, we may discuss mathematical formulation.HvL A clamp is a tsunami-like phenomenon. However tsunami’s occur in two dimensions and require a seafloor. A clamp operates in three dimensions and in free space. Here free space is a nearly empty field.

During travel, the amplitude of the clamp diminishes as 1/r with distance r from the trigger point. When integrated over a long enough period, the clamp results in the Green's function of the embedding field. After that period, the clamp has faded away. 

Tufail: I would request that this diminishing as 1/r is described by using a more familiar example. For example: say the gravitation potential at a distance from gravitating mass. May be you will use a different example to describe the whole process starting from Clamps.HvL At somewhat larger distances the potential of the deformation of the embedding field by the swarm will take the shape of the gravitation potential. The paper contains the graph of an example potential and compares it with the Green’s function. The Example is ERF(x)/x.

However, since the swarm consists of a huge number of clamps that group densely and because the swarm is recurrently regenerated, the swarm still represents a significant deformation of the embedding field. Each participating clamp represents a standard bit of mass, and the mass of the elementary particle is proportional to the number of participating clamps. 

Tufail: Do have any structure / shape of each Clamp and exact number of clamps that each module should contain. If each clamp represent a standard bit of mass then I am sure that mass of this bit will have some value in the units of Kg. Have you calculated that value. HvL I need to know the length of a photon to calculate that value.

The convolution of the mentioned Green's function of the embedding field with the location density distribution of the swarm determines the contribution to the deformation of the embedding field.In fact, such contributions of elementary modules form the embedding field. Elementary modules constitute all modules, and modular systems.What we call gravitation field is a smoothed version of the discussed embedding field.Look into  <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Hilbert_Book_Model_Project> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Hilbert_Book_Model_Project for more details.

You might have noticed that this description does not directly apply the wavefunction of the elementary module. Of course, elementary modules are elementary particles. The location density distribution of the hop landing location swarm equals the squared modulus of the wave function of the elementary particle. Elementary modules constitute all other modules.Also, modules move as single units.They own a displacement generator, which is the Fourier transform of the location density distribution that describes its footprint in the embedding field. This displacement generator is the characteristic function of the stochastic process that generates the footprint of the module. Thus, the characteristic function of the footprint is the superposition of the characteristic functions of the processes that generate the composing elementary modules. The superposition coefficients are functions that allow the elementary modules to move within the realm of the module. Thus, the stochastic mechanisms play a significant role in the binding of elementary modules. They also control the dynamic coherence of the model.

Tufail: Do you have any video or diagrams to explain this hopping, landing and the displacement generator, as I more comfortable with figures than numbers and mathematical equations.HvL The swarm must look like the top of a wizards wand. 

Clamps perform the task that is claimed for the Higgs. The LHC did not prove that the detected “Higgs” particle is an elementary particle. The LHC did not prove that the “Higgs” particle or the “Higgs” field provides other particles with mass. Clamps are known since two centuries! Separate clamps cannot be observed. That is why physicists ignores them. However, in huge quantities combined in coherent swarms, clamps become observable and play a significant role.

Tufail: Yes I agree that LHC may have not proved that Higgs Field/ Particles provides other particles with mass. However, just to differentiate myself from mainstream It is not prudent for me to ignore the arguments of scores of brilliant minds working at LHC, generating logical support in favor of necessaity of bizarre additional field, called Higgs Field. Can you please share those technical literature where you say that Clamps are known since two centuries.HvL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_equation#Spherical_waves the seventh equation of that section F(r)+G(r). In 1746, d’Alembert discovered the one-dimensional wave equation, and within ten years Euler discovered the three-dimensional wave equation. Shock fronts are NOT waves! They do not feature a frequency.

Sincerely yours, Hans van Leunen

Van: Physics [mailto:physics-bounces at tuks.nl <mailto:physics-bounces at tuks.nl> ] Namens Tufail Abbas
Verzonden: zaterdag 10 juni 2017 15:21
Aan: Stavros Tassos <s.tassos at yahoo.com <mailto:s.tassos at yahoo.com> >
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Onderwerp: Re: [Physics] gravity is NOT a force

Ok! Then please remove the name of Mr. Higgs from the discussion. 

Please note that I am not talking here about Higgs PARTICLE, but only a FIELD (call it by any name) which is not moving irrespective of how we are moving. And movement wrt such a field is responsible for increase in mass of object. Now some people may call the same background as isotropic continuum, some may call it by the name aether, some say it is Space-time. If we are able to reach to the essence and produce exact physical description and cause of such background, then we may be able to realize that these are just different names for same background.

So that was about meaningfulness abount bringing in Higgs FIELD into discussion. Otherwise, I am also not convinced with presence of a new PARTICLE  to explain the Mass Gain. 

Thanks for your kind understanding.

Tufail 

On Jun 10, 2017 4:47 PM, "Stavros Tassos" <s.tassos at yahoo.com <mailto:s.tassos at yahoo.com> > wrote:

If we agree that the above mentioned statements and their consequences correspond to actuality, then any discussion about Higgs particles, fields and the like is not only meaningless but disorienting.

Stavros

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:32 PM, Tufail Abbas <tufail.abbas at gmail.com <mailto:tufail.abbas at gmail.com> > wrote:

Dear All 

I also agree in principle to the following statements from  Stavros Message, based upon reading his paper Z-Infinity. 

1. Space-time is everything.

2. Empty space does not exist as a physical entity.

3. Space and time exist as physical entities.

4. Space-time has a cyclic and a unidirectional component.

5. Space-time is a waving continuum and is curved because of its waving nature.

6. Space-time is absolutely elastic at speed < c, and absolutely rigid for any speed >= c.

Physicist  Matt Strassler made a very important statement as follows, regarding  Higgs Fields and Space-time at https://profmattstrassler. com/articles-and-posts/the- higgs-particle/the-higgs-faq- 2-0/ <https://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/the-higgs-particle/the-higgs-faq-2-0/> 

“No matter how you are moving, you are not moving relative to the Higgs field. That sounds bizarre, but remember something else bizarre: that no matter how you are moving, light is moving about relative to you at the same speed, namely 300,000 meters per second. Our intuition for space and time is not correct — that’s what Einstein figured out — and it is possible for there to be fields that are at rest with respect to all observers!”

What are your thoughts on the above.

Regards

Tufail Abbas

On Jun 10, 2017 1:34 PM, "Stavros Tassos" <s.tassos at yahoo.com <mailto:s.tassos at yahoo.com> > wrote:

Dear all

A few comments that demonstrate my thoughts about space-time and gravity.

1. Space-time is everything, is the infinite repository of all mass, in the form of energy (uncoupled standing waves) and matter (coupled standing waves). 

2. The cause and effect relationship is omnipresent, and logic is the reflection of it in our minds.  

3. Empty space does not exist as a physical entity. Space and time exist as physical entities because space is filled with mass. If there was no mass and no inertia, i.e., empty space, the cause and effect will occur immediately, i.e., at zero time and zero space. Another consequence of space being filled with mass-inertia is that light speed is the maximum speed with which space can deform. 

4. Space-time is absolutely elastic up to the light speed, and absolutely rigid for any speed equal or greater than that. 

5. Space-time is a waving continuum, i.e., sinusoidal wave, and discrete particles do not exist as physical entities. 

6. Space-time is curved because of its waving nature.

7. Because of the waving, material and infinite nature of space-time, each wave, regardless of its wavelength, is the materialization of infinity, and space-time is under constant stretching, and this is gravity all about.

8. Due to the above, space-time has a cyclic and a unidirectional component, which is due to its constant stretching, moving from lower to higher frequencies. This in physical terms means that in the same absolute space we have more waves, like stretching the cord of a guitar, the coupled standing waves (matter) being the structural units of all material objects, thus giving the physical meaning to the notion of evolution and increased complexity with time. 

Regards

Stavros Tassos    

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 9:30 AM, Ilja Schmelzer <ilja.schmelzer at gmail.com <mailto:ilja.schmelzer at gmail.com> > wrote:

2017-06-09 21:23 GMT+02:00, carmam at tiscali.co.uk <mailto:carmam at tiscali.co.uk>  <carmam at tiscali.co.uk <mailto:carmam at tiscali.co.uk> >:
> Hi Ilja. Space does not distort time or clock showings (readings).

Of course, it is only the spacetime interpretation which names the
gravitational field "spacetime", which makes such claims.

But, of course, there is a gravitational field everywhere, even where
we have no other particles. Talk about empty space makes no real
sense, given that we have various fields (not only gravity, also the
EM field and all the other fields of the SM) everywhere.

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