[Physics] gravity is NOT a force

Sun Jun 11 17:29:49 CEST 2017

Indeed the foundation of physics is simple , though the structure may be
complex
And the simple foundation is:

Mass of bit in Kg.
Period of progression in second.

On 11 Jun 2017 2:42 a.m., "Hans van Leunen" <jleunen1941 at kpnmail.nl> wrote:

See below!

Hans

*Van:* Physics [mailto:physics-bounces at tuks.nl] *Namens *Tufail Abbas
*Verzonden:* zaterdag 10 juni 2017 20:08
*Aan:* General Physics and Natural Philosophy discussion list <
physics at tuks.nl>

*Onderwerp:* Re: [Physics] gravity is NOT a force

Hello Hans,

Long time back, I visited your website pages and it was impressive. I was
halted at the instant where you mentioned that photons have constant size.
This was in agreement with my ideas, since quantization of e/m waves is
inconsistent with varying sizes of photons, according to my point of view.
So I took interest in Hilbert Book Model Project. But to the disappointment
of my limitations, the model was highly mathematical which is not easily
understood by me.

Perhaps, if you may address my below queries, it may become possible for me
to delve into your mathematical insights, to figure out its physical
significance,

Regards,

Tufail Abbas

On Jun 10, 2017 5:56 PM, "Hans van Leunen" <jleunen1941 at kpnmail.nl> wrote:

To All,

At every progression instant, a private stochastic mechanism provides each
elementary module with a new spatial location. Consequently, these
point-like objects hop around in a stochastic hopping path. After a while,
the hop landing locations have formed a stochastic hop landing location
swarm.

Tufail: What do mean by *every progression instant*,? Does this instant has
any value in the units of second? Is this instant, something like minimum
measurable time. Stochastic processes are described by a set of random
variables. Is this randomness due to the reason that progression instant is
further divided into sub-instances which are not measurable but real. Is
measurement has to do anything with the structure/size of a module. Can you
relate this with any such module which we are more familiar with like
electron, proton, neutron, quarks, bosons etc. HvL The separable Hilbert
space cannot support continuums. With other words, in that part of the
model progression must step. It steps with the highest frequency that
occurs in universe and the whole universerse proceeds with that step. The
non-separable companion of the separable Hilbert space supports continuums.
It embeds the separable Hilbert space and in the quaternionic background
parameter space of this part of the model progression flows. The
regeneration cycle of elementary particle is many orders of magnitude lower
than the master clock of the universe. Still it ticks faster than most
other processes. The stochastic mechanisms produce new locations at a rate
that ticks with the master clock. A photon must be emitted within the
regeneration time of an elementary module. The highest frequency photon is
generated during annihilation of the particle. Then a warp is emitted for
every clamp.

The mechanism applies a stochastic process that owns a characteristic
function. This characteristic function acts as a displacement generator for
the swarm and equals the Fourier transform of the location density
distribution of the generated hop landing location swarm. Therefore, at
first approximation, the swarm moves as a single unit.The elementary module
hops in a quick and violent way. The geometric center of the swarm moves
much more smoothly. The displacement generator describes the movement of
this geometric center. Each hop landing causes a reaction of the field that
embeds the elementary module.

Tufail: This is too much randomness smoothing out to certainty of
displacement at large scale. I think this randomness/uncertainty is due to
the limitation of basic module to measure states at sub-instances, as they
are able measure state only as integration over one time period of
progression intant. Can you describe the whole process (starting from inner
product space) using atleast one generally known fundamental particle. For
example: Say electron.HvL The HBM does not distinguish between elementary
modules other than via ordering symmetry. The fact that the stochastic
process owns a characteristic function that is the Fourier transform of the
location density distribution of the stochastic swarm ensures that the
swarm is coherent and moves as a single unit. The characteristic function
acts as a displacement generator for the swarm. This is what Heisenberg’s
uncertainty principle states. The momentum operator is the Fourier
transform of the location operator.

This reaction is a solution of the homogeneous second order partial
differential equation that describes the behavior of the embedding field.
For isotropic single-shot triggers, this equation offers solutions in the
form of a spherical shock front. (I call this type of solutions clamps).

Tufail: This is highly mathematical. I prefer to keep the realization of
mathematics / equations as the last step on the path to discovery. If
queries on physical description and logical consistency are addressed, we
may discuss mathematical formulation.HvL A clamp is a tsunami-like
phenomenon. However tsunami’s occur in two dimensions and require a
seafloor. A clamp operates in three dimensions and in free space. Here free
space is a nearly empty field.

During travel, the amplitude of the clamp diminishes as 1/r with distance r
from the trigger point. When integrated over a long enough period, the
clamp results in the Green's function of the embedding field. After that
period, the clamp has faded away.

Tufail: I would request that this diminishing as 1/r is described by using
a more familiar example. For example: say the gravitation potential at a
distance from gravitating mass. May be you will use a different example to
describe the whole process starting from Clamps.HvL At somewhat larger
distances the potential of the deformation of the embedding field by the
swarm will take the shape of the gravitation potential. The paper contains
the graph of an example potential and compares it with the Green’s
function. The Example is ERF(x)/x.

However, since the swarm consists of a huge number of clamps that group
densely and because the swarm is recurrently regenerated, the swarm still
represents a significant deformation of the embedding field. Each
participating clamp represents a standard bit of mass, and the mass of the
elementary particle is proportional to the number of participating clamps.

Tufail: Do have any structure / shape of each Clamp and exact number of
clamps that each module should contain. If each clamp represent a standard
bit of mass then I am sure that mass of this bit will have some value in
the units of Kg. Have you calculated that value. HvL I need to know the
length of a photon to calculate that value.

The convolution of the mentioned Green's function of the embedding field
with the location density distribution of the swarm determines the
contribution to the deformation of the embedding field.In fact, such
contributions of elementary modules form the embedding field. Elementary
modules constitute all modules, and modular systems.What we call
gravitation field is a smoothed version of the discussed embedding
field.Look into https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Hilbert_Book_Model_Project
for more details.

You might have noticed that this description does not directly apply the
wavefunction of the elementary module. Of course, elementary modules are
elementary particles. The location density distribution of the hop landing
location swarm equals the squared modulus of the wave function of the
elementary particle. Elementary modules constitute all other modules.Also,
modules move as single units.They own a displacement generator, which is
the Fourier transform of the location density distribution that describes
its footprint in the embedding field. This displacement generator is the
characteristic function of the stochastic process that generates the
footprint of the module. Thus, the characteristic function of the footprint
is the superposition of the characteristic functions of the processes that
generate the composing elementary modules. The superposition coefficients
are functions that allow the elementary modules to move within the realm of
the module. Thus, the stochastic mechanisms play a significant role in the
binding of elementary modules. They also control the dynamic coherence of
the model.

Tufail: Do you have any video or diagrams to explain this hopping, landing
and the displacement generator, as I more comfortable with figures than
numbers and mathematical equations.HvL The swarm must look like the top of
a wizards wand.

Clamps perform the task that is claimed for the Higgs. The LHC did not
prove that the detected “Higgs” particle is an elementary particle. The LHC
did not prove that the “Higgs” particle or the “Higgs” field provides other
particles with mass. Clamps are known since two centuries! Separate clamps
cannot be observed. That is why physicists ignores them. However, in huge
quantities combined in coherent swarms, clamps become observable and play a
significant role.

Tufail: Yes I agree that LHC may have not *proved* that Higgs Field/
Particles provides other particles with mass. However, just to
differentiate myself from mainstream It is not prudent for me to ignore the
arguments of scores of brilliant minds working at LHC, generating logical
support in favor of necessaity of bizarre additional field, called Higgs
Field. Can you please share those technical literature where you say that
Clamps are known since two centuries.HvL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Wave_equation#Spherical_waves the seventh equation of that section
F(r)+G(r). In 1746, d’Alembert discovered the one-dimensional wave
equation, and within ten years Euler discovered the three-dimensional wave
equation. Shock fronts are NOT waves! They do not feature a frequency.

Sincerely yours, Hans van Leunen

*Van:* Physics [mailto:physics-bounces at tuks.nl] *Namens *Tufail Abbas
*Verzonden:* zaterdag 10 juni 2017 15:21
*Aan:* Stavros Tassos <s.tassos at yahoo.com>
*CC:* Physics at tuks.nl
*Onderwerp:* Re: [Physics] gravity is NOT a force

Ok! Then please remove the name of Mr. Higgs from the discussion.

Please note that I am not talking here about Higgs PARTICLE, but only a
FIELD (call it by any name) which is not moving irrespective of how we are
moving. And movement wrt such a field is responsible for increase in mass
of object. Now some people may call the same background as isotropic
continuum, some may call it by the name aether, some say it is Space-time.
If we are able to reach to the essence and produce exact physical
description and cause of such background, then we may be able to realize
that these are just different names for same background.

So that was about meaningfulness abount bringing in Higgs FIELD into
discussion. Otherwise, I am also not convinced with presence of a new
PARTICLE  to explain the Mass Gain.

Thanks for your kind understanding.

Tufail

On Jun 10, 2017 4:47 PM, "Stavros Tassos" <s.tassos at yahoo.com> wrote:

If we agree that the above mentioned statements and their consequences
correspond to actuality, then any discussion about Higgs particles, fields
and the like is not only meaningless but disorienting.

Stavros

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:32 PM, Tufail Abbas <tufail.abbas at gmail.com>
wrote:

Dear All

I also agree in principle to the following statements from  Stavros
Message, based upon reading his paper Z-Infinity.

1. Space-time is everything.

2. Empty space does not exist as a physical entity.

3. Space and time exist as physical entities.

4. Space-time has a cyclic and a unidirectional component.

5. Space-time is a waving continuum and is curved because of its waving
nature.

6. Space-time is absolutely elastic at speed < c, and absolutely rigid for
any speed >= c.

Physicist  Matt Strassler made a very important statement as follows,
regarding  Higgs Fields and Space-time at https://profmattstrassler.
com/articles-and-posts/the- higgs-particle/the-higgs-faq- 2-0/
<https://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/the-higgs-particle/the-higgs-faq-2-0/>

“No matter how you are moving, you are not moving relative to the Higgs
field. That sounds bizarre, but remember something else bizarre: that no
matter how you are moving, light is moving about relative to you at the
same speed, namely 300,000 meters per second. Our intuition for space and
time is not correct — that’s what Einstein figured out — and it is possible
for there to be fields that are at rest with respect to all observers!”

What are your thoughts on the above.

Regards

Tufail Abbas

On Jun 10, 2017 1:34 PM, "Stavros Tassos" <s.tassos at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear all

A few comments that demonstrate my thoughts about space-time and gravity.

1. Space-time is everything, is the infinite repository of all mass, in the
form of energy (uncoupled standing waves) and matter (coupled standing
waves).

2. The cause and effect relationship is omnipresent, and logic is the
reflection of it in our minds.

3. Empty space does not exist as a physical entity. Space and time exist as
physical entities because space is filled with mass. If there was no mass
and no inertia, i.e., empty space, the cause and effect will occur
immediately, i.e., at zero time and zero space. Another consequence of
space being filled with mass-inertia is that light speed is the maximum
speed with which space can deform.

4. Space-time is absolutely elastic up to the light speed, and absolutely
rigid for any speed equal or greater than that.

5. Space-time is a waving continuum, i.e., sinusoidal wave, and discrete
particles do not exist as physical entities.

6. Space-time is curved because of its waving nature.

7. Because of the waving, material and infinite nature of space-time, each
wave, regardless of its wavelength, is the materialization of infinity, and
space-time is under constant stretching, and this is gravity all about.

8. Due to the above, space-time has a cyclic and a unidirectional
component, which is due to its constant stretching, moving from lower to
higher frequencies. This in physical terms means that in the same absolute
space we have more waves, like stretching the cord of a guitar, the coupled
standing waves (matter) being the structural units of all material objects,
thus giving the physical meaning to the notion of evolution and increased
complexity with time.

Regards

Stavros Tassos

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 9:30 AM, Ilja Schmelzer <ilja.schmelzer at gmail.com>
wrote:

2017-06-09 21:23 GMT+02:00, carmam at tiscali.co.uk <carmam at tiscali.co.uk>:
> Hi Ilja. Space does not distort time or clock showings (readings).

Of course, it is only the spacetime interpretation which names the
gravitational field "spacetime", which makes such claims.

But, of course, there is a gravitational field everywhere, even where
we have no other particles. Talk about empty space makes no real
sense, given that we have various fields (not only gravity, also the
EM field and all the other fields of the SM) everywhere.

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