[Physics] Magnets and gas bubbles in water. Was: Re:How to answer ?

[Doug Marett]

Arend,

   Sorry, I pasted the wrong link for that bubble test of mine, here is the
correct link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP1_rEpgDRo&feature=youtu.be

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Doug Marett <dm88dm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Arend,
>
>     Thanks for the additional feedback. I followed up on your suggestion
> and tried to bubble a gas over the magnet in a water bath to see if the
> bubbles would curve due to the Lorentz effect (assuming they might be
> negatively charged as you suggest). I made a short video of the result
> here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS4PkR_BkRo (unlisted).
> I found bubbling air problematic, since the bubbles were too big, I
> eventually settled on generating CO2 from evanescent sodium bicarbonate in
> water. This made nice bubbles but I could not get them to react to the
> magnet - they seemed to go just straight up. I don't know if this is
> because they were neutrally charged, or if the velocity was too slow.
> Anyway, I gave it a try and you can view the result at the above link.
>
> Doug
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Arend Lammertink <lamare at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug and group,
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 4:27 AM, Doug Marett <dm88dm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Arend and the group,
>> >
>> >    Just to be thorough, I thought I had better perform the actual
>> experiment
>> > with the magnet in the electrolysis bath just to be sure that the flows
>> > obeyed the predictions of the Lorentz force. This didn't take long, so I
>> > have a video prepared already that was just posted tonight to YouTube
>> at:
>> > https://youtu.be/HXAVyzxRSS0
>> >    I also used this opportunity to see if the motion of the charged
>> > particles would be influenced by rotating the magnet underneath the
>> bath,
>> > which is a test included in the video.
>> >
>>
>> Interesting experiment!
>>
>> What would happen if you were to pump tiny bubbles of air into the
>> water, while a magnet is present either in the fluid or just
>> underneath it?
>>
>> You see, there is a rather interesting presentation by Prof. Gerald
>> Pollack, who discovered that a 4th state of water exists:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS4PkR_BkRo
>>
>> "Gerald Pollack - This paper largely comprises a draft chapter of my
>> forthcoming book, The Fourth Phase of Water: Beyond Solid, Liquid and
>> Vapor (Ebner and Sons, 2012). I preface it by providing some
>> background. School children learn that water has three phases: solid,
>> liquid and vapor. But we recently uncovered what appears to be a
>> fourth phase. This phase occurs next to water-loving (hydrophilic)
>> surfaces. It is surprisingly extensive, projecting out from the
>> hydrophilic surface by up to millions of molecular layers.
>> A principal attribute of this phase is that it excludes particles and
>> solutes because of its liquid crystalline nature. We have therefore
>> labeled this phase the "exclusion zone" or EZ for short. Of particular
>> significance is the observation that the EZ is [negatively] charged;
>> and, the water just beyond is oppositely charged. This creates a
>> battery that can produce current. We found that light recharges this
>> battery. Thus, water can receive and process electromagnetic energy
>> drawn from the environment - much like plants. The material below
>> outlines the evidence that water acts as a battery. "
>>
>>
>> According to his theory, this liquid crystallic state of water, akin
>> to ice, is negatively charged and is a/o formed at the surface of a
>> water-air boundary. So, it this is correct, any gas bubble under water
>> would be surrounded by such a negatively charged EZ layer and thus one
>> would expect any bubble moving under water in a magnetic field to be
>> influenced by the Lorentz force.
>>
>> Might be an interesting experiment...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Arend.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Doug
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Arend Lammertink <lamare at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Doug,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Doug Marett <dm88dm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Also, crucially important is
>> >> > the recent experimental  observation that superfluids can support the
>> >> > propagation of transverse waves
>> >> > https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990730072958.htm
>> >>
>> >> This seems to be an interesting experiment. I found a few places where
>> >> the Nature paper "Discovery of the Acoustic Faraday Effect in
>> >> Superfluid 3He-B " behind this news report can be downloaded:
>> >>
>> >> https://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/9902129v2
>> >>
>> >> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/278389486_Discovery
>> _of_the_acoustic_Faraday_effect_in_superfluid_He-3-B
>> >> https://archive.org/details/arxiv-cond-mat9902129
>> >>
>> >> Will give this some further thought.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Arend.
>> >>
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