[Physics] Arguments for or against the variable time (of Relativity)

[carmam at tiscali.co.uk]

I agree wholeheartedly with you Doug. I read about item 4 in connection with the Mount Tiede experiment, and it makes complete sense. In fact I think all your items are from that same experiment. As I remember it, the Mount Tiede experiment was to measure the number, and therefore the decay rate of muons as they travelled down through the atmosphere.Tom Hollings



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From: dm88dm at gmail.com

Date: 22/10/2016 16:26

To: "General Physics and Natural Philosophy discussion list"<physics at tuks.nl>

Subj: Re: [Physics] Arguments for or against the variable time (of	Relativity)



Hi Mr. Serret, 

     I personally think there may be a problem with the relativistic theory of time. This is because it leads to a number of paradoxes, for example: 

1) an individual standing on the earth would have time progressing faster at his head than his feet (due to gravitational time dilation). How can a physical object be in two time frames? When blood flows in your body, does it move from the past to the future and vise versa? Seems logically preposterous. 

2) If the same argument is applied to a mountain that has stood for millions of years, gravitational time dilation says that the top of the mountain should be in the future by now as compared to its base by several minutes. If one walks to the top of the mountain, have you walked into the future? If I look with a telescope to a clock at the base, the time tells me I am still in my original "present". If the top and bottom of a mountain share the same present, then what we observe with dilations in cesium clocks can't be a real difference in time, but simply a difference in clock readings. 

3) If you look  at the results of the Hafele and Keating experiment, whether a clock increases in time rate with motion or decreases depends on the direction you are traveling around the earth, which directly contradicts Einstein's predictions. In fact, the only way to reconcile the contradiction was to resort to the theory of Builder (as Hafele and Keating do) where absolute times and velocities are real.  

4) If two observers at different altitudes use the rotation of the earth with respect to a fixed point in space as a time base rather than cesium clocks, they have no choice but to agree that they are counting the same rate of time, in contradiction to their cesium clocks. If it is possible to create a clock in this manner that is apparently immune to time dilation, then what are we measuring with the cesium clocks? We need to be sure that we are not being fooled into believing that time dilation is real just because two clock readings don't agree. 

Just throwing that out there,  as they say, nothing in science seems to die from a contradiction : )

Doug

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 4:19 AM, O. Serret <o.serret at free.fr> wrote:



Would you 
be interested to discuss the arguments about the variable time of Relativity 
?

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